Mayuri Kulkarni: So minimum of could we could begin with a short introduction of you know where you're.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Teaching and, what is your you know your specialization and what coaches, do you teach and how long you have been with your Institute.
Vini Sebastian: So this year on June 11 I will be completing 25 years in the present politics enslavers Institute of education.
Vini Sebastian: This, I have also worked in dandy section one for seven months that was also very good experience for me and before working in construction by one.
Vini Sebastian: I have worked in a to nail Polish matey by college and also in St mary's junior college and also one year I have worked in our school, since a very high school with a family.
Vini Sebastian: And so that is about my teaching experience and the maximum, as you can see that it isn't since he was Institute of education presently where i'm employed.
Vini Sebastian: Where I was a student also for being so, this was my Alma mater and I got employed in the same college, so it was easy for me to transition into the Faculty because I knew so much about the content.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Right right and what is your specialization.
Vini Sebastian: So in my image know I had more specialization teacher education and advanced educational statistics, those are my special subjects, but when we come to.
Vini Sebastian: Be at college there isn't any particular subject like you know where you can teach for a long time because initially I was stuck with philosophy and sociology.
Vini Sebastian: I was assigned student and I have to teach that but I tried to manage that, but then I bought into educational evaluation.
Vini Sebastian: So for some time i'm teaching educational evaluation and assessment for learning and I am also teaching action research.
Vini Sebastian: So action to such as my specialization and in the methods we have the teaching methods, so in that science and maths i'm teaching so presently I am teaching more of matt Smith code.
Vini Sebastian: Because my Max pedagogy teacher was he has resigned, so I was put into math I was you know normally I was teaching science.
Vini Sebastian: Now so then from science I shifted to Max.
Vini Sebastian: Max also is a good subject and.
Vini Sebastian: yeah that's it and we have lots of project based courses which all of us are involved in, so my the project based course which I am involved mostly Community work.
Vini Sebastian: So I pick up Community work.
Vini Sebastian: With the students hokey pokey man.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And can you can you elaborate on the program programs that you offered in your Institute and since when.
Vini Sebastian: We have we have mainly the sbir program only which we are offering and the college's oldest teacher education college in Mumbai he had started in 1958 That was the oldest for lunch many.
Vini Sebastian: Like top vice chancellor's and the alumnus from your you know the alumni are very illustrious I mean.
Vini Sebastian: We are nowhere like you know in front of them, they contributed a lot to the field of education so i'm really proud of being associated with this other than this, we have small certificate courses.
Vini Sebastian: So that we have recently see we used to have that image course in miracles, we used to have in our college and.
Vini Sebastian: Then we all used to have a may contact sessions for idle distance education so contacts sessions we used to have we also used to have early childhood care and education course.
Vini Sebastian: Also, that that we had for a very long time until the gst problem and all as up in the management, the same that you know that, since that would be an income generating course.
Vini Sebastian: It will attract a lot of gst so we had to discontinue that course, so now we have short courses like one courses going on certificate in school counseling.
Vini Sebastian: That is going on and recently we collaborated with hbc se and we had a certificate in mathematics education, but that was only for attendees.
Vini Sebastian: So short courses, we have sometimes we have on language and English.
Vini Sebastian: Speaking we had a certificate course on language and English, speaking also.
Vini Sebastian: So, like that we are having, but we are not having regularly number of programs.
Vini Sebastian: It was only the main thing is the beard.
Mayuri Kulkarni: of being among voters, though, and CT up through the intake for being.
Vini Sebastian: That is two batches hundred students, we can take.
Vini Sebastian: So I can get together.
Vini Sebastian: hundred students.
Vini Sebastian: In one batch only 50 seats, we are getting.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Open open.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And i'm so I wanted to know so we want to understand a little bit about the kind of students, that you know get admission in your program so.
Mayuri Kulkarni: We wanted to understand the proportion of students from you know the different streams so arts commerce physics, chemistry biology, so what kind of propulsion do you see your students coming in from or the beer from these things.
Vini Sebastian: See mostly know like we have five methods we have English history we have geography economic science and math six methods we have.
Vini Sebastian: Open flow the students will work taken know enroll they are put into these methods, according to the subjects that they have in their graduation so mostly, you will see.
Vini Sebastian: That there are art students and science math students and we have other students from engineering and management all students are also there but they are put into the science.
Vini Sebastian: Okay, science and math they are put into so we have maximum English students and maximum science and math students, the economics history and geography students are white few like we may have around 10 students.
Vini Sebastian: When you have 1515 in English and science moments.
Vini Sebastian: Like that we will have.
Mayuri Kulkarni: OK, so my subjects personalization, be it depends on what they had and graduation.
Mayuri Kulkarni: But is that a Mississippi.
Vini Sebastian: Yes, yes, it is to be, and you will be nowadays see we are not going to select them give them the subjects.
Vini Sebastian: The Government itself is selecting and giving them the subjects they only select and they see, but when they come to the College and if they have a lot at a certain subject to them, we also have to check and see whether they have it for the three years.
Vini Sebastian: And that subject should not be an optional subject should be compulsory subject so whatever subject, they have opted, it should be a compulsory subject called the three years.
Vini Sebastian: That it makes a big difference, or something on.
Vini Sebastian: The content is still we can still work on that.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Right right, and so it makes sense for them to have those subjects in their bachelor's and then take on those for the beach.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Yes, yeah I know how would you describe the quality of their academic qualification, I mean what proportion, would you say that you know, has first class marks and your own idea of assessment of data kinda makes sense and weakness.
Vini Sebastian: Who they have more more than 80% we have first class months.
Vini Sebastian: So, in her college we get very good students, but the Marks and the.
Vini Sebastian: capability, or the knowledge of the content, do not match.
Vini Sebastian: Because they tell us that see when we go to schools, we are teaching school subjects you.
Vini Sebastian: know they tell us man, we have learned the school subjects so many years back.
Vini Sebastian: Now, how do you expect us to remember, so it is again refreshing their knowledge we have some content enrichment programs for them, where we refresh their knowledge.
Vini Sebastian: But they themselves have to.
Vini Sebastian: go through the content, because it is so vast know from six to 10.
Right.
Mayuri Kulkarni: We are right so it's the concept that they learn in the school where they need to refresh when we are back in beard right.
Vini Sebastian: And then last touch you know, two.
Vini Sebastian: years after post graduation if they are coming that they are plugging go back to the school and see what they have taught, so this becomes difficult and those who are pure science they find it very difficult to teach mathematics.
Vini Sebastian: We haven't they're not in touch with mathematics of the mathematics teacher as a big problem, like, I have to literally reach them the content for every lesson and clarify the concepts, then only they can teach a lesson for me becomes very difficult in that manner.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So it's not just the pedagogy but it's the content, also, that makes.
Vini Sebastian: us both we're pretty.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Open I man, how would you compare your students have academy profile, but other colleges of teacher education.
Vini Sebastian: You know, actually this kind of assessment, I want done because, like that we don't talk to any other teacher educators, they tell us the same problem so i'm not able to assess whether this would it's a better than us, or was then and Sweden.
Vini Sebastian: Okay same problems exist in other colleges also when we talked to any teacher educator they tell you the same thing I don't know about the academic.
Vini Sebastian: levels.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay okay i'm sorry, what is the proportion of, say, men and women students in your own.
Vini Sebastian: yeah the men are more like in the car we have eight.
Vini Sebastian: boys and this 42 our goals, last year we had two boys and 48 or guns.
Vini Sebastian: or like that the girls are many.
Mayuri Kulkarni: OK OK so.
Mayuri Kulkarni: In terms of 2019 and 20 piece ages, by and large, how many students do you think for a limited in bed.
Vini Sebastian: We had full admission.
Mayuri Kulkarni: 200 each.
Mayuri Kulkarni: screen oh okay so, then you go like full on like you don't have seeds that are left.
Vini Sebastian: know.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So my man, how many students so so Howard, most of the students are getting admitted in your program I mean is there, like a common entrance test.
Vini Sebastian: CDs a by the government only by the State Government.
Vini Sebastian: And then, they have to apply, they have they have they are given option form you're given an option form, where they have to list their 10 options.
Vini Sebastian: So, most of the time they will be given their first preference or the second preference if they do not want the US, I suppose, there are a lot of the second preference, then they are allowed to float their seat That means they are float float their seat, it means that.
Vini Sebastian: They can apply for the next round.
Mayuri Kulkarni: option in the sense you're saying.
Vini Sebastian: yeah 1010 colleges, they can list, and they are given the information of their websites.
Vini Sebastian: college websites and we are supposed to update our websites with small videos of our physical facilities and all the programs, and also that the child or whoever is apply.
Vini Sebastian: then go to the website and see everything are related to the College.
Vini Sebastian: Also contact numbers of the offices given so sometimes they call up the office and they asked what is the fees and what are the timings of the College and also all those details we give, then the the CTS given then.
Vini Sebastian: They come to her college, the government allots certain number of students, we have four rounds so in the in the first round, some number of students are a lot of to the College, we have to take them purely on the basis of this CT scores, not the graduation schools.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Also graduation is not taken into.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Control.
Vini Sebastian: What supposed to people have the same CT scores, if there is a tie, then we will look at their graduations.
Vini Sebastian: folks so like that so as they give us, we have to just take them we don't have any option of saying that we don't want this call or any students, we have to take them.
Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah because they have cured the CP.
Vini Sebastian: Yes, yes.
Mayuri Kulkarni: right also just for curiosity, we wanted to know what other colleges preferred by high rank student obviously saviors as one amongst them but.
Vini Sebastian: yeah we did he sees them.
Vini Sebastian: Then we have vt Bombay teacher training college.
Vini Sebastian: Open which is near eagle in there is same treasonous Hans Raj college and go play college is there for these other like the aided and the top ones, and then place colleges among the unaided colleges, which people prefer or they are very good.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Among what other line so students who are admitted in your college.
Vini Sebastian: ranks mean.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So say like you said right cheeky is something that they need to cave, and that is how they are admitted in the College, so what is the cutout of the CP that you like.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Really so even tasted 55% for example is the cutout but the savior's would have its cutout list, which would be say 80 or 90% so i'm asking on that no.
Vini Sebastian: Actually, no, there is no cutout only we don't know on what basis, they are sending the students to our college, because sometimes hundred and 10 also really get us, or sometimes in that.
Vini Sebastian: High marks, there will be one person with 41 person with 56 So then, sometimes we think they are coming by mistake or something.
Vini Sebastian: So they also get admission.
Vini Sebastian: Oh, so we are very surprised like you know they don't give any cut out for the institution, in fact, this question is asked by most students before they admission after college got cut off.
Vini Sebastian: By they want to know.
Vini Sebastian: Why not able to answer that question because we don't know what is the cut out for our institution.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Or, so if say, for example, if you need to take 100 students and so how on what basis, do you save that if you get around 200 students for oh you're so you might have a cutout it just goes rank twice.
Vini Sebastian: Then what happens no see they give us a list, they give us a list out there are different rounds so in the first list suppose, they give us 200 students okay now you have only for PCs not in that 200 students, we have to check all their documents.
Vini Sebastian: But we will get they came to the College and they bring all the physical documents so sometimes in their CT form may have not calculated their graduation percentage properly okay i'm not calculated that post graduation percentage property.
Vini Sebastian: For them, they do not have the domiciled certificate even some of the conditions, then we will have to reject them.
Vini Sebastian: Oh, you understood, so in that 200.
Vini Sebastian: Many people get rejected for whatever is remaining they get that.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Michigan right.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And then, how many students take up nights and time speaking.
Vini Sebastian: Fine, are for later around i'll tell you well classics around 17 to 18 students would be mad sentence.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Of the hundred.
Vini Sebastian: Of the 5050.
or.
Mayuri Kulkarni: 40.
Vini Sebastian: You can take around 20 so 40% of fortune.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay Okay, and do you think the profile of the students have changed since the two year program was introduced.
Mayuri Kulkarni: or compared to when it was one year Program.
Vini Sebastian: yeah, I feel that the we have program students are much more confident than the one year program students, because the papers which are introduced in the two year program are much more you know.
Vini Sebastian: oriented towards developing different competencies of the students but, when it was one year program, then the internship was cramped and.
Vini Sebastian: We will not have time because students to discuss their teaching experience with them now, the internship is extended so we get much more time with the students and even the papers, you know we can give them some intensive.
Vini Sebastian: Probably meaning experience and those papers are for a particular semester, so we can finish that and then go to the next semester, so does not burdening the students also.
Vini Sebastian: So we finished one semester, then they go to another semester, so I feel.
Vini Sebastian: That we are program is giving much more experience to the students, however, I would not vote for a four year Program.
Vini Sebastian: I don't know how how much it really.
Vini Sebastian: develop the competencies and how much importance it will give to education, because it is again with the va CBS.
Vini Sebastian: Right not know how much it will be.
Vini Sebastian: beneficial.
Mayuri Kulkarni: likely that was a follow up question that I wanted.
To.
Vini Sebastian: know was involved in the syllabus framing of the warrior VSE beard Program.
Vini Sebastian: The education part the pedagogy part I was involved in.
Vini Sebastian: So we did add a number of things, but I do not know it i'm still like you know doubtful about how it is going to be, whether because science itself requires a very intensive involvement.
Vini Sebastian: Because we know as science students, how much we did not have time to look at anything else.
Vini Sebastian: They would only studying science only.
Vini Sebastian: Right, so I don't know how they're going to give they may give some secondary importance to education, according to me the students may not be very.
Vini Sebastian: Like you know.
Vini Sebastian: They may not be very involved in education subjects than the science subjects, the science subjects may take more important than the education subjects that's what I feel.
Vini Sebastian: Or maybe I should be proved wrong, and it should be.
Vini Sebastian: You to be beneficial.
On.
Mayuri Kulkarni: money to improving the quality of teaching or the four year program or you think it's.
Vini Sebastian: Since I have this in mind that it may be a secondary.
Vini Sebastian: importance in the entire BSC beard I I wouldn't think like you know it would kind of improve the quality of features.
Vini Sebastian: See I believe in the integration of the method and the methodology that was the main aim of improve we are introducing this vs vs.
Vini Sebastian: yeah I do agree that, in this we are be at one thing we are lacking, you know the knowledge of the method.
Vini Sebastian: Because in the method known in the method paper we are only teaching methodology and we are not looking at the content yeah.
Vini Sebastian: There is knowing degradation of the content and the methodology, so that is like lacking in this to your beard, so I hope to achieve that in the for your beard.
Vini Sebastian: Because the BSC teachers and the education teachers should not be separate they should work in isolation, they should walk in them.
Vini Sebastian: But how it is going to be I don't know because when we made the syllabus the BSC teachers are making the syllabus on their own and the beer teachers are making the syllabus and how are they going to merge with each other.
Vini Sebastian: That is what I am doubtful about so i'm I don't have answer to that question.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh Oh, what do you think the one order to your va should continue, or because the entity has also talked.
Mayuri Kulkarni: about the composite program right.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Now, what is your take on that.
Vini Sebastian: yeah they said that it should continue, I see, I am Okay, with a two year program open year I don't agree, but for two year program is a good program and it should continue that much time is enough.
Vini Sebastian: But only thing this drawback what I said about the content part, you know that students are looking at content as a superficial thing.
Vini Sebastian: Actually, that is, that intensive involvement in the content is not there when they are teaching, so what we do is when we go to the school.
Vini Sebastian: We are taking a one small unit, and we are teaching and then we are giving marks for that so that is not correct what I feel is you know, we should have unit teaching.
Vini Sebastian: The students should take large chunks of matter for the entire like they should be proper in terms you know they should take a portion of the walk from the school teacher.
Vini Sebastian: And they should complete that for a class instead of going to number of classes and are you going to number of units and ultimately they don't get out of the content.
Vini Sebastian: Right, that is, the that is a drawback of the beer, do you know which I always feel.
Vini Sebastian: Otherwise, I approve the two year program for year we're going to introduce but along with that, I do not know why this one year is there.
Vini Sebastian: Why this one year, I do not approve that I feel that shouldn't be on you oh.
Mayuri Kulkarni: OK.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So my motors know let's come back to students now a little bit more on the profile of the students, what kind of socio economic profile of students are there in the audience.
Vini Sebastian: Most of them are from a baby is only and they are you know also giving directions, so what happens is their attention goes away from the intensive part of the va and and they are concentrating on the equal or their own economical.
Vini Sebastian: You know their own economical sphere, you know where the families are not owning very well.
Vini Sebastian: Some of the parents are retired and.
Vini Sebastian: They tell us that we have to go for it, we have to give fusions some of them are working in night schools, and you know so like that they own money, they are not doing it during the beard.
Vini Sebastian: Like elbows.
Vini Sebastian: That they do, they do it afterwards.
Vini Sebastian: So you know I, that is what i'm a bit disappointed, because when i'm teaching a certain topic I expect them to read up.
Vini Sebastian: Something and come the next day suppose we give something for self study or some individualized learning exercises, they do not complete.
Vini Sebastian: So they will come the next day, and they will give some excuses and all and then they would say.
Vini Sebastian: This time, also during the lockdown we had a lot of problem and we have something called open forum where the students can voice their opinion.
Vini Sebastian: In the school in the College, so there, they are talking about that that you you're not stressing us so much, and we also have our household chores to do so.
Vini Sebastian: see their their status is like that you know they have they are more into so we have a middle class and lower middle class people we hardly have elite So then, some of them also require economic health.
Vini Sebastian: So they apply for scholarship.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So if they had not joined teaching or beard what would have been there alternated professional, what do.
Vini Sebastian: They may be working in some offices or something like that.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay, so.
Vini Sebastian: Actually, there are certain students who are like you know one girl was from geology industrial geology so, then I asked her why she is not going into that field, you know where she can so she said ma'am i'm not interested, because I like to work with students choosing.
Vini Sebastian: So that that is a thing, so they they have different line of education, but then finally they come for the interest of teaching some people.
Vini Sebastian: or some people come for convenience some people come for the marriage for for the point of view, because they want to get married and all that there are different reasons.
Vini Sebastian: Now hardly a few people come for the passion.
passion.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay i'm i'm.
Vini Sebastian: Actually, we can wake up when they start teaching and.
Vini Sebastian: When they interact with us know what kind of student, they are like what is their main objective of taking the teaching profession, you come to know like when they're interacting with us.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Right right and i'm because we weren't eating, we were talking about passion, I wanted to know the key motivation so obviously.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Other things are there for which they need to come back for the for the people who come in for passion, what do you think is their key motivation to that passion that they show in your Program.
Vini Sebastian: We have a higher goals you know they say that they were like you know I remember now Recently I was in touch with one of the students, he he is I mean some.
Vini Sebastian: You know, medical issues and he cannot work so he's on bed actually and his son is looking after him so he's.
Vini Sebastian: Making some videos on mathematics topics of you know and he's putting up a YouTube video so you make such good videos you know.
Vini Sebastian: So he was telling me like I just had a talk with him, so he was telling me that teaching has always been with me and I even if I am on bed I should not stop eating, you know so like that altruistic.
Vini Sebastian: We have talking, you know so that I was quite touched you're not to your from him like that, so they have very high goals and all some people want to set up a school.
Vini Sebastian: Some people want to be administrators and they they really want to make a difference in society, so there are a number of.
Vini Sebastian: People like that, even if they are, they do not have their financial status, now they always always dream of having and they always want to blame high, and so there are some students like that they want to do something better.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And then want to students, like the most about this to your Program.
Vini Sebastian: They like all the activities, what we have you know insensitive yes, we have a lot of activities to develop the different competencies are the different co curricular activities, the workshops.
Vini Sebastian: So all that they like.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay, and.
Vini Sebastian: bonding like you know we have between the students know for the different activities, so they like like that to collaborate.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And what could be some of the issues that probably didn't face with respect to the Program.
Vini Sebastian: yeah so the face number of issues like because we are we asked them to number of projects which are very intensive like the assignments, and all all of us.
Vini Sebastian: We asked them to do reference and our assignments are not very simple, so it requires a little bit more of intellectual.
Vini Sebastian: You know, attention and so that becomes a big problem for them, then they say that the timetable should be well paced.
Vini Sebastian: Sometimes assignments come together, so they find it very difficult to cope up file Finally, we think that they are not able to manage their time appropriately, so we give them some tips to manage time but their home front is such that.
Vini Sebastian: They are not able to keep up to that so that is a thing, so that is one thing, and secondly the internal assessment.
Vini Sebastian: We are not giving them the grades, and the marks after each internal assessment, for example, the last test and essays and all you're supposed to give them the mark, so we now try to give them some grades and.
Vini Sebastian: make them understand what is the level of their performance so sometimes they feel that they are working very hard and they are not getting proper grades, so our standards and expectations from them are a bit high.
Vini Sebastian: So that is an internship is very strenuous because the plan the lessons and then they have to give the next day or game they have to be ready with the plan, and then they have to be.
Vini Sebastian: They have to interact with teachers supervisor students are so many people are there.
Vini Sebastian: So it becomes very strenuous for them internship is very strenuous, then we have Community work that is also an intensive Program.
Vini Sebastian: So these people are not used to this kind of work, you know when they are in the degree college, they are allowed to bank and.
Vini Sebastian: You know, such kind of atmosphere, they are from from that they come to the big college, where we say attendance is compulsory.
Vini Sebastian: Then they tell you show us the rule and they say that to see the university saying 75%, why are you telling us to come, every day, you know so they have this tussle with us so.
Vini Sebastian: According to us if you don't be if you're not present in the class you miss out on so many instructions and internal assessment is going on every day actually.
Vini Sebastian: So that becomes a big problem, so they find our rules and regulations very strict and we are very demanding and we like to be that way for getting out the quality from this.
Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah.
Mayuri Kulkarni: I think that's the discipline is necessary to get quality.
Mayuri Kulkarni: When I need also man, what do you think you know, apart from these are little little things that the students face a thing that are issues of overall how your students are seeing that we are programmed to be.
Vini Sebastian: Over on me at the end of the program they will praise saying that Oh, it was very good and we learned a lot and like that over, but during the year, they will not perceive it in a very positive, we know the thing that, why are you traveling as and why are you.
Vini Sebastian: RU pop icon you'll understand our situation all that, but in the end, when it comes to campus interviews and when they go for a job, then.
Vini Sebastian: refer students from St xavier's so i'm actually when i'm since i'm when I was a student of this college, I really felt the difference when I was also searching for a job.
Vini Sebastian: So I felt, you know, I was talking differently than other students and we have value based education in our college, where we have a founder same big pitches to our colleges setup I just with fathers and St ignatius is our founder, so he has given a strategy of teaching.
Mayuri Kulkarni: How.
Vini Sebastian: Do we follow that strategy of teaching ignition pedagogical paradigm of.
Vini Sebastian: That paradigm is value laden and how to bring in values in the.
Vini Sebastian: teaching profession, and it is loaded with reflective strategies, so I didn't know what is reflection, before I came to this college.
Vini Sebastian: By never used to reflect in my life.
Vini Sebastian: So you're not learning what is reflection you, you really your life changes made to be to be make them reflect every time.
Vini Sebastian: After every activity, the operator reflective exercise.
Vini Sebastian: So that brings in a lot of inward looking, and you know you try to accept yourself and also you know what are your strengths and weaknesses and then you work towards that direction, so that brought in a lot of personal transformation in me.
Mayuri Kulkarni: That is why I like to read more about this pedagogy that you.
Vini Sebastian: yeah, so this is what the game all the civil rights, the game this at the end of the year, whether they accept it, or no.
Vini Sebastian: You can see the the way they talk when they talk, it is a reflective way of talking so that I enjoy seeing at the end of the year, you know, whenever students appreciate this pedagogy and they really appreciate and then they are really you know confident about the teaching profession.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So I think, or whether you're it's okay if they even have.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Such little doubt but i'd be in the fitness helping them to grow into.
Mayuri Kulkarni: humans and better teaching and I think it all pays off.
Vini Sebastian: During the year is very difficult for us to take them along, I find it very difficult because.
Vini Sebastian: I feel you know they're going to become teachers and why are they not you know all the things come to my mind, but I now I have resigned to the fact that they will be like this only all batches are the same.
Vini Sebastian: So we obviously we have to just be patient and go on and.
Vini Sebastian: Because, at the end, they will find the meaning of.
Always.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Water narrow payments for the.
Mayuri Kulkarni: exam no teacher education test oh.
Vini Sebastian: yeah this, they will ask you know why we have to give this test.
Vini Sebastian: Anyway, oh she can say book is there after giving all this exam also we are going to be fiction say what so they grumble a lot about it, but in our college what we do is.
Vini Sebastian: Because some resource person and we train them on the exam we orient them and he gives some exercises also to them to help them to tackle the questions in the dead and many of them passed it last year 19 of them faster take.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Out of the.
Vini Sebastian: Out of the pool.
Mayuri Kulkarni: that's a good number.
Vini Sebastian: Okay, if i'm not mistaken, I think 17 to 19 it's a big number.
yeah.
Vini Sebastian: Any we also have them to do the next exam if they are for post graduates and.
Vini Sebastian: We also promote them to do the net 10 settings and so some of them have done last year we had one student this year, I know, nobody has passed the exam.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay, and in what way, do you know the program how do they see the changes that happen in them.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh, the kind of changes that happened in them with respect to like you said reflection that is one of the change that happens in them pedagogy could be another way, we could talk about so what is your opinion that war two they actually take away from the Program.
Vini Sebastian: They take away a lot of things you know, for their overall development, so one is like for a teacher for their own professional development, they get the whole package.
Vini Sebastian: Like you know, right from the way how to appear for an interview, what are the things, how do you present yourself who the all that we teach them.
Vini Sebastian: placeholder pedagogy is the different regressive pedagogy is we teach them the content also we give them important.
Vini Sebastian: The core papers and the elective papers are done in an in a very intensive manner with lot of experiential learning strategies we are using.
Vini Sebastian: In the College, we do not do the chopped off method or you know one way method of teaching, it is always collaborative and with group discussions and all that and we also have the flipped classroom that kind of learning also we have we have individualized learning, we have.
Vini Sebastian: We have certain modules we make for them so that also they learn how to do it, so what happens is, at the end of the course I think they are now prepared to take off.
Vini Sebastian: For their professional life and then also the since we are two years we embed all our experiences into value based experiences, I think you know, there is some change in their personal sphere also what they came in and what they are going on, they are actually different persons.
Vini Sebastian: Yes, you know, plus you know.
Vini Sebastian: Before when they did their degree, they were not into collaborative learning.
Vini Sebastian: So the nba there is lot of collaborative learning we divide them into groups and.
Vini Sebastian: Are they happy law exchange their thoughts, they have to build a consensus, there are conflicts, they have to resolve the conflict, so all those things also they get.
Vini Sebastian: get an idea, plus now this NP 2020 s come in, so we had lots of sessions with them, we had a workshop also at a national level, we make them aware of the different policies, so I think on our side, we are making the students ready in this manner.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay, if you don't mind, can you just give me a moment and getting continuous calls from someone just one minute.
Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah so ma'am I wanted to also understand the kind of feedback you received from schools with respect to the students preparation.
Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah philosophy.
Vini Sebastian: yeah schools give positive feedback for.
Vini Sebastian: Teaching and most of the schools, we are going to for internship at schools, we have been going for number of years, so we have a relationship with them most of the schools, there are just wait.
Vini Sebastian: Just wait fathers are there, or the fathers who are our students, so they have a relationship with the College so.
Vini Sebastian: They give us feedback, of how the students can improve also but, overall, they are very happy with our students teaching and how they manage the class our lesson planning of the deal with the teachers all that they are very happy.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay okay so and also you know after they take up teaching to your students like you said you know you have a huge Alma mater and alumnus so do they keep in touch with you and.
Mayuri Kulkarni: What kind of feedback do they provide on the preparation of the program because now that they have left to your Institute and gone out in the actual world.
Mayuri Kulkarni: What do they come back to you and tell you, with respect to you know this is this was there have been good, but this was there for this really helps so what kind of feedback, they give you one day out of the system.
Vini Sebastian: yeah so you don't this and the nice thing we are finding it very difficult to keep in touch with our alumni so sadly they do not come so many people don't come back and speak to us.
Vini Sebastian: Nor do we have a formal association, sometimes we have this every year, we have an alumni meeting, but we find it very difficult to get the people to attend that meeting, now, since it was online we add hundred alumni attending the meeting, because it was an online session.
Mayuri Kulkarni: wow and.
Vini Sebastian: offline session they don't come, all the way to the College, because each one is busy with their own thing and traveling is a concern for everybody.
Vini Sebastian: Right, so when the when they came together for this meeting they they just weren't very happy to see each other and all they did not say what improvement, the College has to give.
Vini Sebastian: More to that level, you know, the College has to have an intensive way of.
Vini Sebastian: You know, talking to the alumni and trying to get their suggestions.
Vini Sebastian: Yahoo, that we don't have and some colleges, I have seen.
Vini Sebastian: In the website, there is a link for the alumni where they can give feedback whenever they want so that link is not provided in our website so I suggested that, but it has not been dancing also any alumnus whenever they want, they can just go to the website and look up anything.
Vini Sebastian: like that.
Vini Sebastian: So, yesterday we had a panel discussion by three alum for LM alumni from Toronto, they are working in different.
Vini Sebastian: types of schools, so they provided their own experience, but they did not give feedback to the College that what they can do.
Vini Sebastian: Only one girl said that for your internship if y'all want to just come and see the Cambridge school, you are most welcome now these Cambridge schools, they don't allow us for internship like it, we cannot give lessons.
Vini Sebastian: They are very close, then they don't none of the Cambridge schools, allow us to give lessons in there, so this girl is in Cambridge school so she said that y'all can come and see the physical setup and only.
Vini Sebastian: Nothing else they do not, they do not give any.
Vini Sebastian: feedback on the functioning of the College, but they do appreciate what they have learned from the College and they say that we are implementing all the pedagogy is what you're taught us, and mainly what I feel is the College, even if the College is not teaching everything.
Vini Sebastian: And the college's making them ready for teaching, I mean what I say is they are able to tackle different situations.
Vini Sebastian: Right and they they they can modify they can adapt so that is what the ball, it is making them so that is the contribution of the.
Vini Sebastian: Right.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And when we were talking about the theory to use it last year or 1972 19 have fast right.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Yes, and all the same PC last two to three batches how many to think would have.
Vini Sebastian: applied the few, very few people that applied when they were in the College.
Vini Sebastian: Okay, see that awareness was not a noun so so we thought that they should do it.
Vini Sebastian: After they finished up here, but then some policies for making can do when they were in Viet itself right, we were waiting for them to finish the Viet but now, when we came to know, then we started to motivate.
Vini Sebastian: motivate them to do this, why am forces so hardly like I think one girl only faster that's why i'm course last year, but now we are trying to motivate more and more students to do some swag.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay, and i'm like you said you obviously.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Have bolin people to provide support for the TT preparation content this so you know what can you tell like some colleges, where the PT rate is like quite high along with yours and what could be the reasons for this, and.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Similarly, if there are tp waiters know and what would be the.
Vini Sebastian: Why i'm not aware of that they've done i'm not compared it with me.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh, oh.
Mayuri Kulkarni: No, no.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Also man after the students get him like after they've completed their beard.
Mayuri Kulkarni: You know what kind of jobs do they prefer for so have you seen so there could be a trend right people to opt for say government jobs or private jobs or any other kind of jobs that they were perfect to prowl do they get these jobs.
Vini Sebastian: They prefer a date colleges, but the edits to eat potatoes are not available human there are there are in much vacancies we needed schools, and now they are not even giving them, you see, to a point, teachers.
Vini Sebastian: So then, if they don't get a native schools and they will apply in private schools international schools Ivy schools, I GCSE schools and also our teachers our students take up jobs as content writers on.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh.
Vini Sebastian: yeah and educational consultants they take up after a very long time because, after some experience in teaching the we also get recent months in our college, because we are a minority institution, so these priests and nuns sometimes if they are quite experienced already teaching.
Vini Sebastian: And we are now coming to be it can be directly become principles.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh.
Vini Sebastian: make them.
Vini Sebastian: Open because they have their own creation and all them.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And then, how do they look for jobs, I mean do you have a case.
Vini Sebastian: Wednesday it's Wednesday where.
Vini Sebastian: The schools also remind us when we are going to have the.
Vini Sebastian: placement interviews, otherwise we have in January or February, we will be, we can be in that meeting of the schools in our college when we have a physical one we have our big lecture hall.
Vini Sebastian: So we have the table and chairs for each.
Vini Sebastian: school and then the students go to different schools and they can apply and they get job so and Plus we have to international from Dubai, we have to do by.
Vini Sebastian: scholars and gems international these other schools, they come from Dubai they also interview our students and some of our students are even.
Mayuri Kulkarni: a wonderful.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So you know, we have been hearing that new teachers were generally like like just passed out of beer they're generally, given the world rates to teach in the class, I mean we just wanted to understand if this trend is true, and there are your students.
Vini Sebastian: place now international schools that they are not very competent to teach the secondary.
Vini Sebastian: Schools standard, so they are, they are employed in the lower standards primary beaching and they are given good salary, so our students are attracted but this year I told the students.
Vini Sebastian: don't take up those jobs once they know that the beads are not going to take up these jobs and they will stop appointing and they will appoint you in higher standards and.
Vini Sebastian: You know, we are not trying to beat.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Primary students side.
Vini Sebastian: I said, you are doing a disservice to the children that are dealing with those small children is a different game all together.
Vini Sebastian: And we have not thought you'd strategies to page the smaller children So how do you like, no, you will not understand their psychological setup.
Vini Sebastian: And the pitching will become monotonous, for you and whatever strategies, you have learned will not fit into that level of teaching so.
Vini Sebastian: Please deny those kind of jobs actually to church to students, they asked me for their for my advice.
Vini Sebastian: And I very emphatically told them not to be done with this and then from that day I was praying for them, I said, my God, please give them some job because of me they've lost his job, but they got good jobs in secondary schools and then.
Vini Sebastian: They trying to be at least about six standard know I said you're trained to peak secondary schools not primary schools to.
Vini Sebastian: buy so it doesn't mean if you're taught to secondary we are praying to for secondary you are all you can be an 11.
Vini Sebastian: By 17 higher education also I said that's a different way of teaching and this lower level gnosis a different way of bianca please don't take up I said.
Vini Sebastian: Yes, but, as you said, international schools Ivy schools ID CSS folder they have their own teacher training program six months program is there were you know what they.
Vini Sebastian: They got the money from their own salary.
Vini Sebastian: So they have to pay for that training Program.
Vini Sebastian: Some schools sponsor but then you know they have to pay for that additional training program and then they employ them.
Vini Sebastian: For a higher standard, so that they have some rich.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So after be at once they get placed into these Ivy schools, they have the six month training program and after that that only they get placed in higher grades.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Yes, oh that's quite rigorous after.
Vini Sebastian: yeah yeah.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And then, what proportion of students get into government jobs or they want government jobs.
Vini Sebastian: Oh, they don't have on the government.
Vini Sebastian: Because.
Vini Sebastian: You mean hated school.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Yes, yes.
Vini Sebastian: So you did was we wanted, some of them bond for security, but then, most of them want a lot of money.
Vini Sebastian: They want even money for the.
Vini Sebastian: peanut convince them that after three years, he will be permanent, and then it will be secure, but most of them now, they are not looking for security, like our time when I was looking for a job, I was also looking for security.
Vini Sebastian: When the children are not looking for security, they want to experiment more.
Vini Sebastian: They want to be more innovative and they don't have this idea of remaining in one institution for a long time.
Vini Sebastian: That is one thing I learned, you know.
Vini Sebastian: They they are not saying that they will get using So when I give advice, like you, all better tools your institutions properly because they're going to remain there for a long time.
Vini Sebastian: No ma'am, we are not going to remain there for a long time and all we'll see how it is and so that's the attitude now so they want to experiment, they want to do something new.
Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah generation is changing.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Right.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay, and i'm like you said you gave examples of those to Dubai schools that come in and take.
Mayuri Kulkarni: You know interview and take your students and offer them teaching good So do you have affiliations, with private schools for the placement or is it just.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Your placement.
Vini Sebastian: New affiliations, but every year, they will call us, because we are calling them every year, so we have it, we have them on our database.
Vini Sebastian: Okay, so we send them letters every year by the time it is December January send them and we contact them, so if we don't contact them, then they will they contact us and they asked like, why are you not having the event is a basement and only that there is no if you need.
Mayuri Kulkarni: To finish, oh and just.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Generally i'm order to understand the starting salary of the teachers who join these private schools.
Vini Sebastian: How much private schools to be 25 to 30 or 3530.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And does this way, according to the grid that day teacher.
Vini Sebastian: No, I don't think so, if it is primarily, it will be less.
Vini Sebastian: Okay, it can be, it will be that will.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Be will be only or differences primary and secondary but not exactly the green.
Mayuri Kulkarni: room open and then today good jobs in NGOs.
Vini Sebastian: Yes, yes, yes, I can share they go for NGOs are countries where the employees, so there they I think they are paid around 15,000 or something.
Vini Sebastian: Okay, I know some students who want to add.
Mayuri Kulkarni: In June.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And then say NGOs or private school is there any outdoor education barrier that you're storing.
Vini Sebastian: Cheap or a secondary content writing is then also.
Vini Sebastian: Okay, but they they don't take it up, so there were two students who picked it up as a full time as a part of our school.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh.
Vini Sebastian: Are they joined for that week, but they were appointed not as teachers, but as content writers open, so it was very exciting, they were saying, because they had to go to different because code that has a big network.
Vini Sebastian: To go to different schools of food are and they are to train the teachers, they had to develop content, based on their societies beads and all that to work with different boards.
Vini Sebastian: It was a very good, but then they.
Vini Sebastian: got bored after some time and now they are really.
Mayuri Kulkarni: into teaching yeah so teaching content development NGOs is what your students.
Vini Sebastian: Mostly getting used to the teaching only.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Teaching only as teachers open open and then so in terms of institution wise Now I want to understand how you feel of the challenges you when your colleagues would face with respect to teaching students.
Vini Sebastian: Your the communication of the students know that is a big challenge for some of them have real communication problems and some of them their willingness to learn so you're talking in terms of students are.
Mayuri Kulkarni: No students only so, for example, attendance.
Vini Sebastian: or attendance is not a big problem.
Vini Sebastian: of attendance, most of the students, they come because, from the beginning, only, we are very strict about attendance, some of them, they take.
Vini Sebastian: Everything on to be accent, then they have to take the required permission from the principal and most of the time, the permission is granted.
Vini Sebastian: or something like that, but most of the students attend more or attend the class, but we have a problem, as I said, you know the time management of the students is very poor or then they.
Vini Sebastian: They have other responsibilities at home, you know, like I said, giving up insurance and all that, so I think you know the available time to study and.
Vini Sebastian: That intensive studies not there have any paper, and I feel the papers are very simple in Vienna.
Vini Sebastian: It is not like you know that they have to break their heads or something so, even if they do not study every day and start.
Vini Sebastian: Before the exam also they will be able to write, so the examination system should be more application based.
Vini Sebastian: Rather than you know direct questions, because when they are direct questions they can just read and understand and they can write, so if it is application base.
Vini Sebastian: Then it will be, it will raise the level of teaching learning, they will have to refer more and see like you know in paste sometimes they all have this paper evening sessions and all and you are presenting your their presentations on a paper.
Vini Sebastian: i've attended know.
Vini Sebastian: So, like that I want to do, but our students will not allow us to do such things.
Vini Sebastian: Because they want all syllabus oriented teaching only whatever is there in the syllabus we have protein, so we are like bogged down into exam oriented teaching only.
Vini Sebastian: And if we give them some assignments, they will say that when you are giving us someone mark assignments, it is not supposed to be given.
Vini Sebastian: And we do not have time and you know such complaints come on, so we are not able to give but my daughter is doing sports management from.
Vini Sebastian: A capella candela college, she has a lot of Nice assignments and projects and by doing that she's learning so much more you know she's growing so much and she says that, even in our college we complain, but they don't listen to our complaints still keep on.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh, so I actually spoke to Dr Jason man yesterday from capella cannonball for the same.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Contact so when you said that your daughter studies, because when I was talking to her also she is yeah I I could understand the kind of zest she has interest for students, so he I think he kind of resonates with what your experience of your.
Mayuri Kulkarni: daughter.
Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah I think it can also have some other challenges you.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Either if you do, but if you face with respect to your tenure or salary or opportunities that you should get.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Like you were saying right, so you want to do much more for your students, but it does not come under the purview So what are those kinds of academic opportunities that you think you.
ought to give.
Mayuri Kulkarni: You can take the point.
Mayuri Kulkarni: On my side is asking of challenges, you all your colleagues would face with.
Vini Sebastian: You is eternal life is a lot of challenges, because I want to grow professionally.
Vini Sebastian: Sometimes in our college, we are bogged down with all this kind of routine.
Vini Sebastian: And I wanted to go to make you know, sometimes you want to go to a conference and say.
Vini Sebastian: Yes, I have gone it's not that but I want to do research with some other institution or I even taking up a minor research, I have done some minor searches, but it was a big challenge because.
Vini Sebastian: You have to literally you know go burn the candle at both ends, you know, because the College work is too much the routine work so much for a beer teacher.
Vini Sebastian: That you move your motivation your to generate some inner motivation from somewhere to do that minor and major research.
Vini Sebastian: I, it is a big challenge for me so now, I have decided, I will not do any minor research, I have not done any major research, because there is lots of things you know and in number college is not possible, so it was very difficult for me, I want to do lots of research.
Mayuri Kulkarni: That time constraint, for you.
Vini Sebastian: yeah so but I managed writing a lot of papers.
Vini Sebastian: Okay, I love to write papers so, then I do some small action, the searches in the College.
Vini Sebastian: And then I write some papers but that also know students are you know, sometimes to even say that they don't give that proper participation and they they take for the sake of ticking so.
Vini Sebastian: That also is not good, you know, sometimes when i'm observing in the internship lessons I try to write some notes and I write papers on that so i'm very much interested in writing, all that, but my attention goes, more to the routine work.
Vini Sebastian: yeah, then the professional work so i'm finding this a big challenge and colleges like making us do more info.
Vini Sebastian: And we have to do so much of reports and.
Vini Sebastian: This neck is there so many reports have to be made safe appraisal reports after me for performance appraisal appraisal report annual report, so we get into so much of writing you know so i'm wondering, and then we are also bogged down with so much of administrative tasks.
Vini Sebastian: And the office work actually no our office is empty.
Vini Sebastian: If you will you will not believe our offices empty, there are no employees from the government all the employees in the office our management paid employees, we are not getting nkosi.
Vini Sebastian: for appointing anybody.
Vini Sebastian: So these are all management paid employee so management is spending so much for running the College office.
Vini Sebastian: So we have to go, like the teachers are bound to support them in whatever ways we also end up doing now for this admission work i'm in charge of admission for for much of our office work, we have to do.
Vini Sebastian: So many things we are bogged down with administrative work, then this teaching we hardly like you know in Beijing also now, since we are in the lockdown period, and we are at home.
Vini Sebastian: I feel i've learned so much I have read so much in my paper, but when i'm going to college and coming I hardly have any time to spend on reading on my paper.
Vini Sebastian: All day i'm doing something or the other, I love all the day plans so i've really learned a lot in fact when i'm teaching this denver's colon society people.
Vini Sebastian: which I took up three years back, I had not given much attention to that paper, but this year I read up so much on that paper, and now I have a grasp of the paper, I know what i'm talking.
Vini Sebastian: I was just doing it superficially actually because I read last time only reading on that paper, so now, I feel so satisfied, you know that I can.
Vini Sebastian: I know what the paper is and I contacted so many people to understand that paper well so that color that networking also we cannot go suppose we have to call somebody as a resource person.
Vini Sebastian: From the College will not have money to pay.
Vini Sebastian: I guess, we should pay some money for the profession.
Vini Sebastian: So, then, we have a lot of financial issues also they did call into so that is a lot of challenges.
Vini Sebastian: Does the government is not giving us maintenance around.
Vini Sebastian: So everything is coming from the.
Vini Sebastian: management so management has to be everything So how are we supposed to survive, I cannot understand and you're supposed to maintain quality and all that yeah well, that is a big challenge I needed institutions.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And i'm that respect to B and C D regulation how this diet is that, like really terrible blow with respect to you know, maintaining their requirements are being thing in city regulation is just fine and you can.
Vini Sebastian: Do terms of internship and the papers and.
So.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Early.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So generally the epics body right of teacher education and as counsel for teacher education deregulation also would mean something to your college and you would also have to adhere by the regulations.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So do you think that is okay, is that manageable, or do you think that's another added load to you're already.
Vini Sebastian: In CP regulations, most of it, we have the you know, there are certain things like recreational facilities and the sports ground and all that they have listed.
Vini Sebastian: health facilities and all that, so the those things, we are not having busy of like according to what they are prescribed, but when it comes to teaching.
Vini Sebastian: The space required physical facilities, and now we have got the grant also also because of the sovereignty of water to produce our ground.
Vini Sebastian: So we because of that, we have included a lot of physical facilities in our institution, it has been technologically updated so I think we meet all the requirements of nct.
Mayuri Kulkarni: affiliating body, so you are affiliated to the University of Mumbai.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Yes, and so they would also have their regulations, a timeline so same quality of exam or allocation of students, what are your thoughts on that, how do those regulations fit into your needs a necessity for the College.
Vini Sebastian: University of Mumbai you he gives us the curriculum and they tell us like you know how many hours, and all we are supposed to work and everything, so we are going according to.
Vini Sebastian: The University of my regulations on the so we get it from the console section at all Okay, so we get all the regulations from there, and we are we, and they are mostly in line with the ugc regulations.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So.
Vini Sebastian: It is almost the same by those regulations.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh man, we already talked about the new education policy, and your thoughts, so you know new education policy came in right between covert.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So I wanted to understand you know your experience like you said during covered, it was professionally.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Actually enlightening for you to develop yourself, but how was it in terms of college and running the College running the courses during the pandemic How was the experience drawn the teachers points of view and also the student.
Vini Sebastian: yeah so Initially it was you know, I was, I was a technologically challenged person from the beginning, only and I was not, I never experimented on technology.
Vini Sebastian: I knew only the basic so vendor for it started, I was literally you know thrown into the deep sea like the most so I had to just learn to swim on my own.
Vini Sebastian: So I didn't even know how to use this zoom and also my the batch which, when the whole bit lockdown started mad 17 I remember, I had to do a few action research classes.
Vini Sebastian: And I literally made a big mess of it, so I had to phone the students are on the phone and was explaining.
Vini Sebastian: Then, on the LM s I was explaining because I was feeling so bad I couldn't communicate properly.
Vini Sebastian: Suddenly, this boom went off, and I was showing some videos and I didn't know I had to share the computer sound, and they also did not have an experience so they also did not do anything, and it was a real mess.
Vini Sebastian: And then I picked up the skills, so all the teachers, what is the same boat, but the sad part is that we did not share our.
Vini Sebastian: Problems with each other, each one was told to do on your own there was no institutional policy of upgrading the teachers.
Vini Sebastian: Like when I spoke to my friend in sapphire college, she said that the institution has the organized a series of workshops.
Vini Sebastian: Where the teachers had to upgrade this is so sadly in our college, I felt that that was missing and each one was told to fend for themselves.
Vini Sebastian: So I had I contacted some of my colleagues and other colleges, since we are senior professors that we had the.
Vini Sebastian: custom of coming to the university and correcting the paper so they're in during that time we made good friends yeah, but these younger generation people they cannot have good friends, because they are not.
Vini Sebastian: We don't come now any longer to the university papers, it is only for setting the paper, and then we go back.
Vini Sebastian: So when we correct papers, the whole teaching communities there and it is so nice it was so I have very good friends and other colleges so, then I just took the courage to call up other colleges and.
Vini Sebastian: tell them that I am weak in this part and i'm so, then I took a lot of lessons from.
Vini Sebastian: Different colleges my my friends and they taught me Google me I didn't know anything about that Google made I said, where it says tell me what is hangout and all those new words were so new to me.
Vini Sebastian: And so I learned and similarly other teachers also tried to learn, somehow, and I was so surprised that the College did not think of anything for us.
Vini Sebastian: And then during the lockdown there were some courses, so I saw my students also joining those forces like me.
Vini Sebastian: Oh, there was one college from the south Uta academy universal features Academy, so they were having a series of workshops for teachers to develop their skills, so I saw some of my students also joining so they're also like you know, the College did not take the initiative of.
Vini Sebastian: Like you know, having some program for the students or all of us we joined and.
Vini Sebastian: Then we learned, then I saw mines for students present students also joining, meaning the ones who have passed out I made them so far.
Vini Sebastian: But the ones who are coming in, they were all excited and because they had to do the online internship.
Vini Sebastian: And they knew that a veto which are me so, then they were also joining, so I took them alone, especially my match students and myself, we all try to learn from each other.
Vini Sebastian: Because I was really so bad, you know, and I, and I was feeling ashamed of myself that so many years, I didn't do anything because there was no need.
Mayuri Kulkarni: For absolute.
Vini Sebastian: So then, my students, without any feeling ashamed or ego or anything I used to keep on calling my students, they used to call me so we used to do assignments together and all.
Vini Sebastian: Plus, there were a lot of Mbps one was by Rama Newton college daily they conducted everything of dp or under that one bit more than more than my Libya.
Vini Sebastian: This thing, and that was equivalent to refresher courses, so that refresher course was of no use to me because I have already crossed so many years, but they were teaching all this related to technology, and it was safe space.
Vini Sebastian: For my students, also for joining that.
Vini Sebastian: Night my students also I also for joining, and then I did to ftp is then SVP also it is every piece, so I can continuously kept on new economy, I can previously said that, I have to improve means I have to then when the year started, there was no top of upgrading the students.
Vini Sebastian: They were everyone fact that they would have done it on their own.
Vini Sebastian: They would have done it on their own, but then I volunteered to take a section for them.
Vini Sebastian: And then I took a session for their money skills, I couldn't believe myself, I said, my God i'm doing this, like so.
Vini Sebastian: The students appreciate it a lot, because I had learned already in the vacations and the assignments helped me a lot that's why I was sitting night and day doing those assignments, and all that, and then I felt it was so simple like if you just put my head into it and I could do it.
Vini Sebastian: So now I use different innovative techniques, so that was a challenge main thing, and secondly, the main challenge was online internship.
Vini Sebastian: Now, how are we supposed to be teaching skills online on so we had to give them make them ready online so.
Vini Sebastian: I gave a.
Vini Sebastian: session on his skills, I gave us a check on online communication how to communicate online so and also in the pedagogy classes, then we taught them number of ways of teaching and assessing online.
Vini Sebastian: So that was a big challenge, and then we have to observe the lesson and give feedback that was the biggest challenge.
Vini Sebastian: And we are to write the feedback and it was so difficult, you know, initially, it was very difficult that online feedback also the lectures, all of them are not participating.
Vini Sebastian: You only participate around five to six students will be opening their mouth and giving some answers, so if we ask a question, then, everyone will be quiet now what we are supposed to do bang the laptop.
Vini Sebastian: So they know that we have is not going to do anything nobody's going to come out of the screen dickie point then afterwards iPhone them individually.
Vini Sebastian: And then I say that what happened to you in the class, we should answer them I like that I make them answer you know.
Vini Sebastian: meaning a small threats, what is this now you if you don't answer, how will you understand the topic so I make them understand that they will.
Vini Sebastian: participate, so now there is there is there are a group of 10 students, so I keep on telling in the class only 10 students are there in my class, I had a few students in my class, but they are not answering.
Vini Sebastian: Then co curricular activities also was a big challenge, how do you conduct the Co curricular activities, so there they had to prepare some videos there to merge the videos.
Vini Sebastian: And some if they cannot perform it online suppose it is a play, then they had to merge the videos and all beautifully the students did it, you know.
Vini Sebastian: But those skills were not there, and everyone so only few people had those skills so, then they went overboard and then.
Vini Sebastian: You know, so that was a big challenge, so these ones are different challenges which we faced, and we also face the challenge that they also phase, the time, but now we are okay, with it, but now, this new batch again has to be.
Mayuri Kulkarni: trained in on pain when on.
Mayuri Kulkarni: My man in terms of of you know, economic or medical issues that your students or your teachers your staff would have faced during.
Vini Sebastian: Given only on some of the way we asked their parents so some of them had over themselves so.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So so institute like trying to you know give any medical assistance on how our House institute trying to cope with the students.
Vini Sebastian: We have a counselor so the students can.
Vini Sebastian: contact the counselor anytime there to give them names and the counselor will be taking individually counseling online, but.
Vini Sebastian: yeah we don't give any financial assistance to the students okay.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And with respect to I noticed this Mumbai and probably all students would have enough Internet or bandwidth but was that a concern, while you.
Mayuri Kulkarni: guys are your battery.
Vini Sebastian: was a concern yeah so, then I don't know whether they wanted, they want to attend the class or really they had a problem we don't.
Vini Sebastian: know, then they say that they are sometimes not the ordering online examination, it becomes a big problem so be prepared number of papers so in case somebody is having Internet issues and they have to give her the exam.
Vini Sebastian: And then another paper has to be given, so we have to prepare for sense of papers and you know our papers are multiple choice questions, it was so difficult to prepare.
Vini Sebastian: principal or many multiple choice questions we prepared I but it it helped us to understand our topic in depth dominion preparing this multiple choice, no.
Vini Sebastian: yeah we really your brain starts turning my God, each one has to be different and very different than when I find it tested with my students, when I.
Vini Sebastian: I made some multiple choice and a pilot tested with my students, some of them, they couldn't understand the stem was not very well made.
Vini Sebastian: me so, then I also in the process, you know I also learned how to make a multiple choice question through my own students.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Right.
Vini Sebastian: So they were giving me advice like man this word is not proper and we are not able to on the distractors also so like that I learned to make multiple choice.
Vini Sebastian: So I didn't I didn't know how to make a Google form.
Mayuri Kulkarni: In this process.
Vini Sebastian: yeah because before the lockdown my colleagues were preparing the Google form some of them, but I never took the.
Vini Sebastian: initiative.
Vini Sebastian: learn anything because it, they are they know yeah in this lockdown I learned how to prepare a Google form my and I didn't know what is a Microsoft form somebody said Microsoft form, then I learned how to prepare that also so many things I learned in the long term.
Mayuri Kulkarni: So benny ma'am you're like this Internet pro now you.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Online everything you know how to.
Vini Sebastian: Do not approach, but then I build that capacity meeting on me, so I always tell my students actually everything in the fall, we may not be able to learn, but you should bring the readiness in the university to learn, so that you can learn anytime yeah, that is what you need to build in.
Mayuri Kulkarni: And you also have this internal motivation that I have to know.
Vini Sebastian: Yes, yes.
Vini Sebastian: I was there very much strong.
Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah.
Vini Sebastian: I really like the students.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Nice, I could actually see it coming to me also your motivation, I have to know that means I have to do so.
Mayuri Kulkarni: A night it doesn't matter.
Vini Sebastian: And my students were so cooperating sometimes you know take.
Vini Sebastian: It easy diesel i'm not able to fix the gog brown my PowerPoint Can you help me and for things you'll be sitting and waiting to be the steps so then when one of the workshops, you know some kind of workshop we had so there, I was sharing my experience of lockdown so their goal was President.
Vini Sebastian: So she was saying this mini man that she wanted to learn something at that time she will learn it on the at that time she will not sleep without learning that because she will not get sleep only.
Mayuri Kulkarni: I think we need, we need more minimums.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Though yeah because.
Mayuri Kulkarni: You know this motivation this passion in the field of education that is actually what drives everyone around.
Vini Sebastian: I want to thank this for a teeny you know go through the oars I was introduced for yes, I did not know what is oh yeah I had learned about it what it is and all but.
Vini Sebastian: Actual experience with oh yeah I got with this Okay, so I gone through your website and we will click so yeah and I bought through so many we are so that I really want to thank is for that.
Mayuri Kulkarni: I will definitely let them know man oh also when i'm just one last question, I know.
Mayuri Kulkarni: I know in bits and pieces, you have said how it has affected and not affected by over on how was the experience of teaching online during forward being it's a huge shift from what it was earlier, but how is the overall experience me.
Vini Sebastian: i'm liking, the online experience of teaching, but then, when I look at the students i'm not having a connect with the students that's What I miss you.
Vini Sebastian: So, but teaching online was a very novel experience for me and I liked it, you know, and I like to teach online.
Vini Sebastian: And i've used a lot of resources online, which I had not used when I was doing offline teaching take hold of us down but online, it is working better.
Vini Sebastian: But only thing you know I need to know my students and I need to be in touch with them that connect is not there, so that is a when you know when I ask a question, and there is no answer then you get kind of frustrated.
Vini Sebastian: So polo somebody say something, and all even when we are talking about reflection and our colleges pro in reflection and we want to inculcate reflection in the students, I think we are not able to do it one liners.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Like physical, you know that engagement and.
Mayuri Kulkarni: You know that is upon icon type.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Is a little bit missing when it is online.
Vini Sebastian: and put the videos or.
Vini Sebastian: yeah we cannot see them also so they are just one alphabet on the screen, so we do not know at least I have done a mission work, so I have seen each student physically.
Vini Sebastian: Right now, the teachers have not even seen them physically, so the only look at the alphabets.
Vini Sebastian: they're saying that now this this one so percent we don't even know how that person looks like at least you are lucky to have at least.
Mayuri Kulkarni: One day, my.
Vini Sebastian: take on, it is not there and plus meeting the colleagues, you know we need that working and collaborating in our paper, now that collaboration is not there now so that teamwork, and all that see that online how much we are going to do.
Vini Sebastian: yeah long meetings are there, but you know still that doesn't give you the satisfaction so meeting your colleagues and getting some energies from them.
Vini Sebastian: You know that motivates me I like to go to college and you know be around and what are some was our mistake, he told us are like you know it makes your life, a little bit lighter.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Yes, yes.
Vini Sebastian: And the students, when you see them physically, you know, like you know sometime my students, even this in mind you're the same so many years, like so I see that you know I, that is all because of the young students around us, we don't be game.
Vini Sebastian: lot of energy and enthusiasm from them to that part of our self, you know that is now missing, so we are not able to like you know how, when we are away from our own children, what a feeling you get no so i'm getting that kind of feeling like what kind of a distance, it is like yeah.
Mayuri Kulkarni: One last question, what are the subjects that you teach oh.
Vini Sebastian: I need to different subjects, so I teach assessment for learning I be gender school and society and I mainly most of the semi skills, I teach pedagogy of teaching mathematics and action research.
Vini Sebastian: Over these are my papers which ideas.
Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay okay oh okay my my thing.