UNESCO State of Education Report for India 2021: Teachers 

Teacher Educator Interview Responses
[This is a pre-analysis questionnaire to collate the responses. Please fill in the responses of each of the respondents for the following questions (for instance if there are three respondents, we enter all the three responses here). Give examples wherever relevant. Response for each question to be collated as a set so that summaries can be written later. Response to each question will be a paragraph of several responses]
Interviewee :  Aditi Rawat, Delhi 
Interviewer : Dr Manjeet Kaur, Associate Professor, GHG Harprakash College of Education for Women. Economics specialized AMEX BED & MED PHd in Education. 25 years of experience in GHG Harprakash College of Educastion for Women. Established 70 years rural area.
Date & Time: 05.07.21 05.07 pm 
For II: For each of the programs offered, is full component of seats being filled? Is the admission stable/ decreasing or increasing? : 
BEd & MEd last two years PG diploma in Guidance & Counselling. BEd & MEd. Total intake 100 – BEd & 50 MEd. Admission is decreasing day by day it’s a big issue and challenging issue. From the last 4 to 5 years BED course is 2 years from then admission problems are there. Intake 70% only we are able to admit after putting lot of efforts. Only 70% only we are able to fill remaining seats are vacant. Admission is a big issue.
2 Year bed course : It was ok because of my long experience, Generallh within 8 or 9 months course of BEd training programme used to be completed fast that’s all about BEd. After its 2 year BEd is increased with regard to duration its increased, cost effective, fees is also doubled 2 years fee children have to pay the fees na. Children’s problem is there. Teaching pointing of view 3 semester and new subjects have been introduced, previously 9 subjects were there for children to study. One full semester now we have internship is there quality wise 2 year programme is good. I support this.
Students opinion: As such students don’t compare anything. They are mentally prepared for 2 years course and take admission. We people can compare that they have studied in one year course or two year course what is good this course like that. Students cannot compare. Or cant have any opinion they cannot compare between two. Reaction is there from students one is duration, fees. Our institution has only girls, they have to study for one more year extra instead of one year course and secondly funds, resources till they complete BEd everything is doubled. Duration and funds is doubled.  

For III 3.1: Is the college getting enough students from all streams(language, arts, biology, phy+math, commerce and any other stream) 
I am admission incharge I can easily tell you. Here BEd centralized admission in Punjab based on the entrance tests, seats will be divided in the beginning itself as per the teachers availability which subject teacher available seats matric we make and give minor and major subjects. Admission is based on major subject like science, maths, economics, social science, Commerce. Language is minor subject. Minor subject college allots the seats. 
No No majority students are coming social science maximum students are from social science, they will have minor subject English hindi or Punjab we can say assesstiant language combination students come. WE have introduced subjects like music, fine arts physical education very less students we get home science reason is after they complete BEd they will take up jobs. They will see which subject has weightage accordingly they select. Same is with Commerce students are less 2-3 year back admission for science stream admission was less because BSc students were not interested with BEd. But now the trend has changed. Science students are coming from BSC and MSC. all these depends on government placement policy i can say. Like Government Placement policy is there which school will have more placements children choose such subjects in their graduation and study and they select in BEd. 
Government policies has not changed. Depends on post they release. They collect data in which are schools, which subject vacancies, are there. Two to three years back there were no openings. Children who passed BEd they did not get any jobs. They were all working in private schools. In government sector there were no placements. Now in Government sector posts are there. So many children working in government schools. That’s is the changed science stream children also taking admission for BEd. In Social Science stream admissions are going on. Maximum students are from social Science. 
For III 3.4: Are they getting enough men and women from all streams?(about proportion of boys and girls to each of the stream)

For III 3.2 and 3.3:  What are the perceptions about quality of students they are getting? Is quality of students changing? In what way?
Dummy admissions you all know this is going on in a high rate. WE are proud that in our institution this is not done. IN our college the admission are less let me be frank, if some students approach us for dummy admission we refuse. They get the admission elsewhere, we never offer dummy admissions. Even our college management, our principal Mam do not encourage this dummy admission. 
We do not have integrated BEd course in our college, whoever gets admission for BEd are graduates. Earlier trend was that we had 250 seats when BEd was annual system we used to get students from all over, like Ludhiana, students from Coastal area, In those days there was demand for BEd course. Now the BEd colleges are mushrooming and so many college have been opened. Now the trend is changed with children, they are not looking for the good college, they look for the college which is near to their home, convenient there are taking admission. No student will think I will go to that institution even it is far as that institution is a reputed one. The students coming to our college are from the nearby villages. This is the trend this is going on in Punjab.  
III-3.8:  What are the Soc-economic profiles of students coming into the program?
This is the biggest matter, children are coming form side by village they cannot afford fees some students they have reservation they belong to SC/ST they have Government scholarship where the government will pay the fees in the form of scholarship. This is a big help for the children because of this they can continue. Even those policies have been changing; some years back the whole course fee was given to the children as scholarship by the government so the whole fees they were able to pay. In between the amount was reduced. The big spout is there, the scholarship was a big support especially regards to fee matter, the students come from a family with a socio economic background. Quite a number of students I can say they belong from average number to the below average category. For them to pay the fee is very difficult, management also give scholarship like that there are many scholarships. Government has many scholarship, Punjab University also give scholarship, our management also give scholarship. We try to accommodate all the students from all the categories. The students who cannot afford to pay fees because of their socio economic status they cannot be a dropout. Efforts are made to get the admission.
Near about Rs.1 lakh fee the BEd course is completed. Stationary and other expenses are different but their entire fees are taken care of. This is what I am trying to say in the years course, this is the big problem. Fees problem.
III-3.9:  What are the other jobs the students go to? 
III-3.10: What was their motivation to join TE training?
To get the Government job is the main motivation. This is the biggest motivation. They clear TET wants to take up jobs in government sector. In our institution we give training for TET exams. Even for the PG like, we give UGC course training also. College on its own is giving the training. Students also ask us how to do this, they get complete knowledge and practice tests they have and we give for TET test. The eligibility conditions are now lenient. It has increased substantially. Earlier there used to be doubt how many years TET tests are valid and 2nd time the tests have to be taken like that, If I am not wrong, TET tests now has life time eligibility. Students has the motivation they can set in government sector.
In every batch only few students will have that motivation to become teachers. They want to be teachers that urge is there and inner motivation will be there. I want to become a good teacher. Many need only degree that’s all. The motivation is they want to become good teachers this is their in few children.
V- 4.1 What do students like in the program?
IV-4.2 What are the diffic ultis the students face during/about the program?
BEd and MEd programmes in these children have no problems. No certain problems they face. In my experience students from science background have to study our philosophical based education, these students find philosophy difficult for them; they are science background and find philosophy difficult. Like these problems students will definitely get but later they will be interested to study these subjects. Remaining subjects are not that tough, if you Punjab university syllabus – all universities will have different syllabus and different sujects, whatever the subjects are there, they are all planned and its useful for them. One new subject is introduced General School and society, earlier this was not there, this is a very important subject, earlier this was an optional subject later they made is compulsory subject. For one child this subject she has to study and learn, they have to become sensitive (sensilize) I am saying important subject, courses related as such they have no problem time to time they learn. In BEd, especially when they enter teaching phase, we tell them about lesson planning, they have to do lesson planning how they should to do it, developing question preparations, while formatting lesson plan they find it difficulty but they have to do it, When they do number of lesson planning like micro lesson plan, ICT based lesson plan, Diary based lesson plan, Model based lesson plan, when they are doing different lesson plans it will take some time to understand, but later on they will do. 

IV-4.5 What all do they learn from the program? 
In BEd, MEd programme, we have many of activities that the children miss them a lot and like it. Website is being updated if you visit our website new details we upload there. We have lots of activities like fine arts activities, dramatic activities, sports activities and literary activities this is for BEd course, in dramatic activity there are songs, skit, drama, folk dance, classical dance and many more number of activities is there. Students are divided in to houses and inter house competitions will be there. We select the office bearers of the society the children participate in intercollege competitions, youth festivals in the same way in the fine arts we have a long list of activities, in Fine Arts activity fine arts related, Punjab culture related activity like gudia patolia, traditional Punjab culture gudia dole banate hai, they make ball out of clothes like this there are many activities, Along with curriculum the children participate in all the activities they like and learn a lot. All round development is happening, any child after session when we evaluate then we see to it that in the entire group not even a single BEd student is left without participating in any one activity. They have to take part in the activities. Either she is participating in dramatic society or fine art society, or literary society or in sports society, The entire school culture is that when they go to other school or job or want to arrange dramatic activity or if they want to perform on the stage, they want to organize functions all these they learn. Those activities and participation they miss a lot. 
Activities are there content is there, delivery method is there, There are qualified teaching staff, we have all PHd staff with good experience, they have good teaching method they use in the class, we have evaluation system, internal assessment task practical work is there, accessional work is there and they have to complete all the work, Children are participating and we have to internal assessment and give them marks, not like that, Whole set of programme is there, we have a dummy calendar everything is fixed, in our mind also everything is fixed, as per the time table we have to this on time. A planned programme is there accordingly everything goes on, there is no confusion. For children teaching methods are taught, visits are there number of visits are innovative school are there Children have to visit, charitable institutions are there children have to visit Ludhiana we took the children recently Manmadhudu Seva Charitable Institution that’s the name of the institution, charity they did they saw, they have to be make them sensitive (sensilize) towards the society. All these programmes they enjoy a lot.
IV-4.6 Feedback from the schools: What feedback TEs get from school about their student teachers/ newly recruited ones? Are there any comments about their Industry readiness (examples if any)?
Earlier we used to allot students to different schools, we used to choose the school, we used to take permission from school and send the students for teacher practicing. 
Now Government allots students to schools then children go to that allotted school for internship. One thing more is that the students have to do the lesson planning in written form they write, the on that comments are written. Earlier teacher educator remarks we used to give now school will have a mentor teacher that mentor teachers will write remarks in the student’s note books Students are practicing and they are under the control of a mentor teacher. They are guided when they are working, they have to work with a mentor teacher. No, mentor teacher from the school where the students to for internship. No we will not have any direct interaction with the student but only discuss with the students. When we pay visits we will just ask them if they are facing any problems otherwise students are divided and they are being helped, like if I have 5 students I will have to take care of them if they have any problems in internship, lesson planning, teaching, any type of problem students can discuss with me and I will help them but I will not be giving any marks. Mentor will take care of the teaching in the school how they teach in the class Mentor will give topics that’s type of assistant teacher, one teacher is there with her BEd students are attached the student will assist the teacher in all the tasks and also study. There is no repetition this is a joint effort, this is the syllabus is going on for this child and we have to do this topic that same topic is taught in the class, if the test has to be taken then that is also done. Whole day child is in the school from morning, they have to conduct the assembly, if it is an elementary school they have to keep record of midday meal. They learn how the records in the school are maintained: school record, fee records labs records how to maintain the record each and every activity the student will coordinate with the mentor teacher and learn and work. 

IV-4.7 What kind of feedback do students give to TEs after the completion of the program/after entering the industry  

V- in the section on TET collate about what are the views about TET?
•	Student’s perceptions about TET
•	Teacher educator’s perceptions about TET
•	How student have performed in TET?
PSTET Exam: 
Exactly we keep the records in the college from the point of NAAC, NAAC they have mentioned that how many applied, how many appeared and how many cleared those details. We keep that in the college. I don’t know that, most of the students clear this. 
Every child apply to this. They take the Test. Actually that data is not available. TET data is like that the children will clear the TET and move out. The contact with them also will be rare. When they contact we ask them the details and record. But data I can;t say, to be very frank I will not know this which college, how many clear TET 
Yes Mam I am alumni coordinator. An alumnus association is there the meet is there since long time and every year this happens. Earlier before the day of convocation, we did not called as alumni but it was called as old students gathering. Old students used to gather and we used arrange everything for them including night stay, the children used to stay in then night and then the next day used to be the convocation; this is how the programme was arranged. We used to keep entertainment programme for them in the evening. Then it was called alumni meet, Every year different batch is there for alumni meet. Last year we had meet in January. We named it as SAMYOG, it was virtual, earlier we have planned to meet during March but because of covid and lockdown it did not happen. Otherwise every year we will organize an alumni meet. 
Yes, alumni we take the placement records and alumni feedback also we collect. Children do share, mostly, As I said our institution is a reputed one and we never compromise on the quality, the children say whatever we learnt during the course that come in our present profession. When I was asked to give a demo I did as I learned here. These feedback the students share.
Yes time to time we do imply many changes we have implemented. Like, if the children feel that we have to use more of technology, these days it is easily available (sasti hi hoti hamareliye), we have implemented the changes like methodology, evaluation, testing like monthly test we have brought the changes based on the feedback we received from children. We can implement the positive feed back. And we implement. 
V 5.4: What were TE’s response to TET pass rate in comparison of their college with others. Comment on answer for 5.4 
VI section: each question is important:
VI 6.1: Where are the students employed after completion? How do they look for jobs?
VI 6.3: What proportion seek government jobs? 
Not all can get in to government jobs. After completion of BEd exams is there TET test is there they have to be qualified and they will not get job for quite some time and wait for the government announcement then they have to apply attend interview, then placement will be there. Not all children get government jobs. All the students take TET exams. When they join for BEd they will be very clear that they have to complete BEd and get government jobs. Aspiration is there for government jobs they will not be fit in to government jobs. Then they try for private schools and there are good schools they have got placements and well settled. That is the second priority. 1st priority is only government jobs. 
VI 6.4: And what proportion got government jobs?
I 6.5: All about campus interviews. Affiliation to private schools. About 
selection and appointment.
We have placement cell. We have started a Placement Cell, there is an incharge for the placement cell. We conduct campus interviews, other college principals visit our campus and they select students and give placements. Satyabharathi schools in Punjab they are paying good salary, they also visit us whenever they have job placement advertisements time to time they will share it with us.. We have made whatsapp group in that we post all the job vacancies. Who so ever is interested they can apply and get job. Moreover the employment office of Punjab Government we have tie ups with them.  Jo employment fear karta hai our teachers visit the employment office and we have registered in their web portal also. Earlier there was a campaign and they had asked the children to do spot registration. Employment office had also created awareness among the children whenever there are vacancies they will send for interviews, this also happens regarding employment. Sometime even Principals of other schools call us or our teachers directly saying “there is a vacancy for such and such a subject, if you have good candidates you can suggest. We need a good Maths teacher if you have good students you can send her.: Like this also children get employment. Secondly internships are there na, What Punjab government has done, students will have 6 months internship and they go to government schools, The education ministry will allot the students to various government schools. The students have to fill up the choice of nearby school and start going for the internship. That is the internship in the government schools. There they lot of information about vacancies how to fill up the data form.
They are not going to private schools for internship last two years. It is the Punjab government policy that the BEd students have to go to government schools for internship. The government will collect the list and allots the school for children. They have a portal and through that they allot, The government will select the schools near by to the children’s residences and as per the subject vacancies available they allot the children for internship. 
VI 6.6: What is the starting salary in private schools?
Depends on school to school. When students visits our schools we will ask them There are reputed schools and normal schools are also there, the different schools like Sacred Heart schools, DCM School, DAV School, Ryan international schools, Satya Bharati School, Convent schools are there The children working in those they are working may be getting good salary. But starting salary depends on the management. Skill the students has acquired, depends on the interview, their performance, there are no set criteria, according to the each individual’s capacity ay is fixed. Its not like education college like I did in the college and this is the minimum salary A grade me milega, its not like that.   
Exploitation in private schools – work, salary etc:
A Fresher, just BEd passed will say that sometime they say the I am a postgraduate and I have got junior classes many a time they have said this, I expect that I am eligible to teach +1 and +2 because I am MA economics but I was asked to teach junior classes. Immediately on joining no body will them a chance to teach +1 or +2 initially they will be asked to teach in junior classes later on they will be given higher classes. Again that depends on the students efficiency, knowledge, skill. Junior classes they get. I can say anything exactly about the salary its all varied. 
VI 6.7: Entry into NGO who are working in education sectors. 
No student has taken any employment in any NGO. The NGO will be visiting our campus, even our students visit NGOs we can say for a different purpose. We have not tie up with NGOS, because we are aided institution, In aided institution as such donations, we cannot accept donations it becomes a huge liability so we do not have much tie ups with NGOS. Last year one student was there she was a great aspirant, she said “Mam I want to work in an NGO, I want to work like a JOGI, it my dream to work in an NGO and start an NGO for education Iwill nowlkto do service for the society. Even we also work like an NGO, But we are community service organization. In our institution this session we are conducting two community courses free of cost one is basic computer course that there is no age restriction and from all the communities’ students come. We use our computer lab and teachers. Many students from various sector has join this programme. The second community course is embroidery this we had kept it for girls. This is also free of cost and student have learnt from this stitching and embroidery course. WE have NSS and students give service under NSS. That is how we are involving the community.      
VI 6.8: Are there examples where students are pursuing other careers related to education?
Apart from schools, they are not pursuing jobs in any other sector. Only students from commerce background pursue jobs in banking sector. They have the option of clearing banking exams and they have taken up the jobs in Banking sector. Some students are teaching in ILTES centers those who are good enough in communication. 
Immediate option is tution work. They prefer to take tution either in the tution centers or give home tutions. 
VII: Information about TE’s institutional experience
7.1: kinds and extent of challenges from students: (for example quality of students)
7.2:Employment related challenges.(tenure, salary and Faculty development opportunities)
We in our Institution never have any of those problems. But if we talk about professional growth, ours is an aided college and time to time we get so many opportunities for professional growth like if I have to attend any workshop or seminar we get duty leave, we attend orientation or refresher course programmes time to time we get duty leave. Lots of benefits we have for teachers, maternity leave, PF, what are all the work is there for teacher welfare, everything is in our college. If we have to apply for FTT we get leave, or even if we have to attend any seminar or workshop and there any expenditure we make that is also reimbursed. There is limit that in a year we can attend 2 seminars and Rs.1000 we get. This policy is written and we are getting, a proper record is there. Like, when I did my Phd while working here. Many teachers have done this. If we want to pursue further qualification management will permit us and they also will give NOCs. After completion of further qualification, maximum teachers have completed Phd being in the job. All these are accommodated, we have no salary issue as ours is an aided college, 95% grant in aided college, salary issue is not there or issue regarding benefits is also not there. Like in other colleges, leave problem will be there. Seminars funds problem will be there we don’t have any problem.
Problems related with students: Some time language challenge is there, The children studied in Punjabi medium we will have challenges. The students studied in Punjabi medium till their graduation will face problems, for them to shift from Punjabi medium to English medium they find it difficult. No doubt in BEd they can do in Punjabi also. But somehow especially in MEd there will be problem, in BEd they can do it in Punjabi and books are also there. In MEd books for specific subject in not available in Punjabi, Secondly, in MEd they have to dissertation, In MEd research work is there, so in Punjab University its compulsory. The students have to compulsorily opt for dissertation. When they are making reports that time they get language problem. To write in English like that this is the problem. 
7.3:Comments about NCTE regulations if any?

7.4: Comments about the affiliating body to which they are attached to.
Government aided college that is affiliation is to Punjab University and finances are controlled DPI Colleges. Punjab University as such there are no problem we get curriculum, time to time curriculum revision meeting will be there, time to time we give inputs, like how we need or how they need, curriculum revision meeting are there, exams are smoothly running, With affiliating body we have no problem. Our job is to provide the curriculum that is being done. 
7.5: Comments about affiliating schools for practice teaching
Challenges are not there. But the issue is that we have lost the control over our students. That looks like a problem, otherwise internship time period is increased. It is good thing that students have a complete semester for practice teaching. Otherwise it was only 40 days teaching practice was there. But now they have one full semester for teaching practice and for internship,. And even 1st and 2nd semester 10-15 days pre internship is there like to give an overview of happening in a school, what happens in a school that a pre internship programme this is good. But when the go for internship, they will be under the control of the mentor teacher, so the control on them will be less with us. Because they have to work according to the mentor teacher.
7.6a:Views on 4- year program as per NEP 2020
WE have been hearing about four year programme. We hope so that programme will be commenced. There is an issue, like our college is an independent BEd and MEd college. For BEd and MEd teaching colleges will not get permission na. Degree college are getting NOCs, there are getting affiliations so what is the future of BEd and MEd colleges. Right na, One time talk is there that what is the future of BEd and MEd colleges. NEP has written for merger saying strength is less and institution will be merged. There are many points which are clear till now. We do not have any clear cut path like whats going happen in future. Specially the issue with BEd and MEd colleges, they are independently doing BEd and MEd what will happen to them. If we are starting with integrated BA BED or BSc BED programme.
7.6 b: What is their say on present two year B.Ed? should it be continued or not?
VIII: About COVID related issues: (Preparation, learning using technology, access to technology for self and studeets? Any novelty brought in and so on)
When during the month of March lockdown was imposed, we had to conduct online classes. WE did not have much experience to conduct Online classes. …… I joined one month course and 2 FDPs on massive open online course MOOCS This is very vast course but I learnt how to do video how to edit it, how to interactive material preparation, like that, they taught us all that’s, so that’s how we enriched our knowledge in technology. We learnt to use latest technology what is going on presently. The staff are going to college and taking online classes. In College we took LMS this is a E-platform in which we have to enroll the students and teach them how to use it. Even tests can be conducted using LMS, Assessments can be given, announcements can be made and classes can also be taken using LMS. College has hired the LMS and upgraded and enriched. We required WiFi connections to ensure there are no network issues in the college. We conducted many online webinars in this phase. We created College youtube channel, live streaming was there, we were taught all these, even children learnt. We gave Demonstration lessons online, when the children go for demonstration for their internship then they have to learn demonstrations lessons. They prepared for this online teaching how to give demonstration lesson online that also we taught them. Starting it was personal choice; I thought I should learn the new thing. What is new I wanted to learn – …. In Delhi Ramanujan College I joint for one month course. International course certificate course also I attended. I wanted to learn so I learnt. Later on in our college they imposed FDPs, Faculty Development Programme. In FDP they taught us all these through college. All these we learnt.
Online classes we had challenges from students side network connectivity issue is the main one. The children are from villages and network is a big issue. Children say we cannot on video network issue, network used to get disconnected, cannot see the video only audio they were able to hear. Again and again it gets disconnected. Second is the daily package - network package. I don’t know how many GB data we get, daily we used to taken 6-7 online classes each class duration of 40 minutes then the daily data pack will be exhausted. We had to keep this mind while taking online classes, how much data pack they have, if the child should not get this problem, this is challenging. 
Regularity issue also was there. To be frank, Some children said, if they sit with the mobile parents think they are just sitting with mobile they don’t understand that online classes are going on. Parents  say that whole day you are sitting with mobile. Parents don’t understand that they will have classes from this time to this time and its study time. This was a challenge initially many students said this, we want to study but parents are not understanding.
Another one challenge was Girls na, if girls are at home they have to the domestic work also. Then they are saying “Mother does not understand that this is my online class time and I have to study and Mom ……… will give some work”.  She is available in the home and she can do the work. 
Children are dependent on brother or father, for data pack recharge, they have to depend on brother or father. If the data pack is not recharged then they cannot attend the classes. This was also issue. This is the main problem for girls. Only boys get access to go out, if they go out only girls can get recharge. These are the challenges girls have faced. Moreover, research work they have and they have to submit dissertation if the mobile data pack is not recharged how will they collect data. That was a big issue they have to make the google form, college the data it takes time na. We have taught them about google in the class how to create google forms, everything is streamlined now google form creation data collection, otherwise it was a big issue. Earlier all these were not known now its too easy, like this we can work. That’s what we say now but earlier it was difficult. All these challenges are there for children,.
One more thing is mobile storage problem, we are sending pdf files, notes, they have no storage. How will they see, they cannot take printout also. We have sent the study materials, but how long the child can see the mobile and study. Most of the children do not have laptop or desktop, they study using mobile. How long they can study, like this there were many issues faced by the children. They wanted to study but these were the challenges they faced. 
Now and then teaching influence was there on the Programme, along with we were thinking how to cope up with this. I am not saying that online teaching is a very good one or quality teaching one. So college teaching was good children regularity was there, everything was there, there were no problems for children. No doubt for children teaching we have done our best efforts but secondly I want to relate this with efficiency, children had online exams. So online exams they gave names but I am saying it was open book exam. No doubt the open book exam was the need of the hour. That was necessary and they had to take up that, but the sincerity children had they had to compromise, they children who were sincere, discipline, who wanted to learn also have become lenient they say ok challo what we will do after studying, These issues are there. Those children who did not study, who were below average they also scored well. The children who are in competition spirit and who study well will feel bad that I have studied so much to score good marks but even this student has scored these marks. In regard to these we can say that we have checked the efficiency we can see the achievement, we have studied, power points were made and good recordings done. Kahi na Kahi hui hai.