_id WEBVTT 1 2 1 3 00:00:03.750 --> 00:00:16.770 4 Mayuri Kulkarni: Someone before we begin 5 6 2 7 00:00:18.300 --> 00:00:28.500 8 Sybil Thomas: Okay yeah so as you're aware i'm civil commerce I teach at the University of Hong by Department of Education and. 9 10 3 11 00:00:29.550 --> 00:00:36.720 12 Sybil Thomas: yeah at the department currently I am teaching a course in philosophical foundations of education. 13 14 4 15 00:00:38.250 --> 00:00:52.230 16 Sybil Thomas: Then higher education and E learning 17 18 5 19 00:00:54.480 --> 00:01:01.620 20 Sybil Thomas: In the at the end I deal with the issues and concerns again in higher education and. 21 22 6 23 00:01:02.940 --> 00:01:25.380 24 Sybil Thomas: Also 25 26 7 27 00:01:26.220 --> 00:01:32.520 28 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay 29 30 8 31 00:01:33.090 --> 00:01:38.400 32 Sybil Thomas: With the Mumbai university 33 34 9 35 00:01:38.550 --> 00:01:43.290 36 Sybil Thomas: wow yeah so in between 37 38 10 39 00:01:44.340 --> 00:01:46.920 40 Sybil Thomas: As a principal for sense areas. 41 42 11 43 00:01:47.160 --> 00:01:56.910 44 Sybil Thomas: Of college of education Institute of education church gave us a brief period as principal their own lane from university and came back to university. 45 46 12 47 00:01:57.540 --> 00:01:59.400 48 Sybil Thomas: Okay 49 50 13 51 00:02:00.420 --> 00:02:04.230 52 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay 53 54 14 55 00:02:04.320 --> 00:02:09.990 56 Sybil Thomas: No 57 58 15 59 00:02:10.230 --> 00:02:22.920 60 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay perfect so oh okay fine imitators day okay yeah so ma'am how and how long has it been that the embed code it's been running with the university. 61 62 16 63 00:02:23.970 --> 00:02:27.720 64 Sybil Thomas: Ever since its inception in 1974. 65 66 17 67 00:02:28.440 --> 00:02:37.020 68 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay Okay 69 70 18 71 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:38.760 72 Sybil Thomas: Oh yeah yeah yeah. 73 74 19 75 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:42.330 76 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay Okay 77 78 20 79 00:02:42.480 --> 00:02:43.890 80 Mayuri Kulkarni: In 19 and 20. 81 82 21 83 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:49.650 84 Sybil Thomas: And 2019 and 20 I think we had any seven students. 85 86 22 87 00:02:51.000 --> 00:03:05.520 88 Sybil Thomas: There are no yeah lasted I think was maybe around seven to 10 but we're 89 90 23 91 00:03:06.570 --> 00:03:11.520 92 Mayuri Kulkarni: So 93 94 24 95 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.910 96 Mayuri Kulkarni: As your intake but only seven past. 97 98 25 99 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.680 100 Sybil Thomas: Yes 101 102 26 103 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:35.250 104 Sybil Thomas: number of students 105 106 27 107 00:03:35.610 --> 00:03:48.600 108 Sybil Thomas: Okay 109 110 28 111 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:49.710 112 Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh 113 114 29 115 00:03:49.770 --> 00:03:53.130 116 Sybil Thomas: One for 2020 21. 117 118 30 119 00:03:53.910 --> 00:03:56.790 120 Sybil Thomas: Oh 121 122 31 123 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:03.390 124 Sybil Thomas: Right yeah so the admissions for 2021 took place in November. 125 126 32 127 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:07.410 128 Sybil Thomas: And right now we have only finished one semester 129 130 33 131 00:04:08.220 --> 00:04:09.630 132 Mayuri Kulkarni: dying because of covert. 133 134 34 135 00:04:09.990 --> 00:04:21.870 136 Sybil Thomas: yeah yeah so there 137 138 35 139 00:04:22.170 --> 00:04:24.720 140 Sybil Thomas: And it's already know him so we got to anyone. 141 142 36 143 00:04:26.340 --> 00:04:33.090 144 Mayuri Kulkarni: Right okay and i'm what is the proportion of students from say art commerce or chemistry biology. 145 146 37 147 00:04:33.090 --> 00:04:40.320 148 Sybil Thomas: streaming strangely you would see nowadays 149 150 38 151 00:04:42.390 --> 00:04:52.500 152 Sybil Thomas: So the commerce is coming in 153 154 39 155 00:04:53.340 --> 00:04:58.620 156 Sybil Thomas: Okay 157 158 40 159 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:04.980 160 Sybil Thomas: Farmers economics 161 162 41 163 00:05:05.400 --> 00:05:20.430 164 Sybil Thomas: Right 165 166 42 167 00:05:20.820 --> 00:05:21.810 168 Mayuri Kulkarni: OK OK. 169 170 43 171 00:05:23.490 --> 00:05:32.550 172 Mayuri Kulkarni: And then 173 174 44 175 00:05:33.180 --> 00:05:34.590 176 Mayuri Kulkarni: and your assessment of. 177 178 45 179 00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:35.850 180 Mayuri Kulkarni: Their academic strengths and. 181 182 46 183 00:05:35.850 --> 00:05:36.360 184 weakness. 185 186 47 187 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:51.810 188 Sybil Thomas: And 189 190 48 191 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:59.610 192 Sybil Thomas: rural parts of Maharashtra etc 193 194 49 195 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:12.030 196 Sybil Thomas: Right master's degrees 197 198 50 199 00:06:12.420 --> 00:06:29.790 200 Sybil Thomas: That we had the have them who wants to go in for ma ma you know PhD is possible 201 202 51 203 00:06:30.330 --> 00:06:34.260 204 Sybil Thomas: It will be all going for a distance and not invest two. 205 206 52 207 00:06:34.260 --> 00:06:36.450 208 Sybil Thomas: Years doing regular degree. 209 210 53 211 00:06:36.660 --> 00:06:44.580 212 Mayuri Kulkarni: Right right okay good and how would you compare your students academic profile with that or the other college students. 213 214 54 215 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:53.880 216 Sybil Thomas: See colleges 217 218 55 219 00:06:54.180 --> 00:06:54.540 220 Okay. 221 222 56 223 00:06:55.740 --> 00:07:06.210 224 Sybil Thomas: To be precise 225 226 57 227 00:07:06.510 --> 00:07:14.910 228 Sybil Thomas: Along with the Department of Education department was continuing 229 230 58 231 00:07:16.230 --> 00:07:30.030 232 Sybil Thomas: After which within this last 10 years 233 234 59 235 00:07:31.530 --> 00:07:34.110 236 Sybil Thomas: Except that the semis which do it. 237 238 60 239 00:07:34.590 --> 00:07:47.310 240 Sybil Thomas: But the rest of them 241 242 61 243 00:07:49.260 --> 00:07:51.480 244 Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh that's a pretty sad. 245 246 62 247 00:07:53.970 --> 00:07:58.320 248 Mayuri Kulkarni: Man 249 250 63 251 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:05.820 252 Sybil Thomas: Or we would rarely get them first oh boy 253 254 64 255 00:08:06.900 --> 00:08:12.270 256 Sybil Thomas: Other is 257 258 65 259 00:08:12.690 --> 00:08:13.890 260 Sybil Thomas: or sometimes nothing. 261 262 66 263 00:08:15.210 --> 00:08:15.570 264 Sybil Thomas: Okay. 265 266 67 267 00:08:15.930 --> 00:08:20.130 268 Mayuri Kulkarni: And that's how our students have admitted in your program I mean is there 269 270 68 271 00:08:20.130 --> 00:08:27.930 272 Sybil Thomas: Universal know the common the common centralized instance test of the university University of Manchester come. 273 274 69 275 00:08:28.260 --> 00:08:36.000 276 Sybil Thomas: Right over they given that comment ACTA exam and then they come to work comes we actually have no choice 277 278 70 279 00:08:36.330 --> 00:08:41.520 280 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay 281 282 71 283 00:08:42.870 --> 00:08:45.690 284 Mayuri Kulkarni: To take a big or image 285 286 72 287 00:08:47.370 --> 00:08:52.080 288 Sybil Thomas: You should it be a level if you ask me 289 290 73 291 00:08:52.560 --> 00:08:52.980 292 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay. 293 294 74 295 00:08:53.070 --> 00:08:58.770 296 Sybil Thomas: If they don't get updated college 297 298 75 299 00:08:59.190 --> 00:09:00.240 300 Mayuri Kulkarni: die right. 301 302 76 303 00:09:00.270 --> 00:09:02.970 304 Sybil Thomas: Because you would prefer looping college. 305 306 77 307 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:11.310 308 Sybil Thomas: Not the high thing with the one which will be speeds you don't mind anything just finish it off and get out to the. 309 310 78 311 00:09:12.180 --> 00:09:20.910 312 Sybil Thomas: side 313 314 79 315 00:09:22.020 --> 00:09:27.930 316 Sybil Thomas: Other colleges 317 318 80 319 00:09:31.230 --> 00:09:31.380 320 Mayuri Kulkarni: and 321 322 81 323 00:09:31.980 --> 00:09:35.130 324 Mayuri Kulkarni: Nine such students who are admitted in your college. 325 326 82 327 00:09:35.310 --> 00:09:36.990 328 Mayuri Kulkarni: Whatever ranks. 329 330 83 331 00:09:37.620 --> 00:09:38.820 332 Sybil Thomas: In the sense would you. 333 334 84 335 00:09:39.900 --> 00:09:43.740 336 Mayuri Kulkarni: say 337 338 85 339 00:09:44.340 --> 00:09:45.720 340 Mayuri Kulkarni: Are they 341 342 86 343 00:09:46.020 --> 00:09:46.830 344 Mayuri Kulkarni: who are in the. 345 346 87 347 00:09:46.890 --> 00:09:47.880 348 Mayuri Kulkarni: premier layer of. 349 350 88 351 00:09:49.890 --> 00:09:50.490 352 Sybil Thomas: immediately. 353 354 89 355 00:09:50.550 --> 00:09:50.850 356 Mayuri Kulkarni: Yes. 357 358 90 359 00:09:50.910 --> 00:09:57.030 360 Sybil Thomas: Okay number three I didn't really even be distributed so it's a split their choice they give. 361 362 91 363 00:09:57.060 --> 00:10:06.150 364 Mayuri Kulkarni: Preference 1230 OK 365 366 92 367 00:10:06.990 --> 00:10:10.620 368 Sybil Thomas: After coming to me to be going for school teaching and such. 369 370 93 371 00:10:11.070 --> 00:10:13.680 372 Sybil Thomas: will be very few maybe less than. 373 374 94 375 00:10:14.790 --> 00:10:15.540 376 Sybil Thomas: 30%. 377 378 95 379 00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:17.910 380 Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh 381 382 96 383 00:10:18.660 --> 00:10:21.510 384 Sybil Thomas: or still them look into colleges I to read for. 385 386 97 387 00:10:21.810 --> 00:10:24.270 388 Sybil Thomas: Jobs 389 390 98 391 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:30.390 392 Sybil Thomas: Probably their own schools administrators kind of my responsibilities. 393 394 99 395 00:10:30.780 --> 00:10:33.870 396 Sybil Thomas: And they can go to spend have ambitions. 397 398 100 399 00:10:34.260 --> 00:10:35.160 400 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay okay. 401 402 101 403 00:10:35.430 --> 00:10:35.820 404 Mayuri Kulkarni: And i'm. 405 406 102 407 00:10:36.780 --> 00:10:40.860 408 Mayuri Kulkarni: Like you said you know earlier 409 410 103 411 00:10:41.430 --> 00:10:45.150 412 Mayuri Kulkarni: So do you think the profile of students have also changed because of this. 413 414 104 415 00:10:45.420 --> 00:11:01.440 416 Sybil Thomas: yeah they have definitely changed Why do I say definitely in the census previously when we had bonnier course we would have 30 seats and 2025 or 30 feet and we used to get a demand which would be almost like. 417 418 105 419 00:11:02.550 --> 00:11:27.300 420 Sybil Thomas: 75 students to 80 students who were wanting to apply 421 422 106 423 00:11:28.800 --> 00:11:37.950 424 Sybil Thomas: Now we don't be screen students 425 426 107 427 00:11:38.640 --> 00:11:57.810 428 Sybil Thomas: Schools I GCSE boards and so then started offering students around 40 429 430 108 431 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:10.590 432 Sybil Thomas: Schools coming in and taking students from there 433 434 109 435 00:12:11.370 --> 00:12:12.300 436 Mayuri Kulkarni: Right yes. 437 438 110 439 00:12:12.930 --> 00:12:15.270 440 Sybil Thomas: then became a distance moon oh. 441 442 111 443 00:12:16.560 --> 00:12:21.210 444 Mayuri Kulkarni: Man 445 446 112 447 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:32.160 448 Sybil Thomas: Its various as any normal probability curve Okay 449 450 113 451 00:12:33.030 --> 00:12:33.150 452 Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh. 453 454 114 455 00:12:33.180 --> 00:12:38.190 456 Sybil Thomas: And also 457 458 115 459 00:12:39.300 --> 00:12:51.780 460 Sybil Thomas: The majority would be from middle and lower middle income groups 461 462 116 463 00:12:52.380 --> 00:13:03.030 464 Sybil Thomas: And therefore 465 466 117 467 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:04.980 468 Sybil Thomas: That is my experience. 469 470 118 471 00:13:05.310 --> 00:13:14.880 472 Sybil Thomas: So you will have many of them either coming from disturbed trouble homes waiting for this degree 473 474 119 475 00:13:15.300 --> 00:13:19.020 476 Sybil Thomas: They could probably the are separated 477 478 120 479 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:21.000 480 Sybil Thomas: They can get an employment. 481 482 121 483 00:13:21.660 --> 00:13:23.190 484 Sybil Thomas: So those kind of things on. 485 486 122 487 00:13:25.560 --> 00:13:31.560 488 Mayuri Kulkarni: My board 489 490 123 491 00:13:32.910 --> 00:13:44.700 492 Sybil Thomas: I think there are other alternatives 493 494 124 495 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:51.990 496 Sybil Thomas: So in that way 497 498 125 499 00:13:53.160 --> 00:13:55.380 500 Sybil Thomas: A good anchor for their carriers. 501 502 126 503 00:13:55.740 --> 00:14:02.550 504 Mayuri Kulkarni: dry dry and because we are talking about how this goes actually tools as an anchor 505 506 127 507 00:14:02.550 --> 00:14:04.530 508 Mayuri Kulkarni: key motivation to join the Program. 509 510 128 511 00:14:05.730 --> 00:14:15.030 512 Sybil Thomas: A motivation somewhere now if you ask me 513 514 129 515 00:14:15.390 --> 00:14:32.340 516 Sybil Thomas: of education and i'm actively involved in at least four of these colleges quality assurance committees and the other one is at the College development and the other also 517 518 130 519 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.220 520 Sybil Thomas: had to be a level and the can you repeat your question. 521 522 131 523 00:14:38.880 --> 00:14:41.430 524 Mayuri Kulkarni: was asking what do you think is the motivation to. 525 526 132 527 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:55.650 528 Sybil Thomas: So if they're inspired but the big level 529 530 133 531 00:14:56.520 --> 00:15:09.690 532 Sybil Thomas: And we find that education and the kind of content that we are transacting is meaningful 533 534 134 535 00:15:10.620 --> 00:15:30.720 536 Sybil Thomas: When they meaningfully connect their lives to the content and feel a certain amount of meaning they find in their own lives because of what they are learning so therefore 537 538 135 539 00:15:32.130 --> 00:15:39.840 540 Sybil Thomas: And the many who would have taken science and commerce 541 542 136 543 00:15:40.230 --> 00:15:57.390 544 Sybil Thomas: and 545 546 137 547 00:15:59.400 --> 00:16:00.690 548 Sybil Thomas: Given I think two three. 549 550 138 551 00:16:00.990 --> 00:16:06.000 552 Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah and those are quite reflective so yeah It makes sense yeah. 553 554 139 555 00:16:07.560 --> 00:16:12.810 556 Mayuri Kulkarni: And i'm 557 558 140 559 00:16:14.880 --> 00:16:18.270 560 Sybil Thomas: um I think at the. 561 562 141 563 00:16:19.470 --> 00:16:35.100 564 Sybil Thomas: va level if you see what students really like is I told you 565 566 142 567 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:46.350 568 Sybil Thomas: kind of co curricular activities those 569 570 143 571 00:16:48.540 --> 00:16:50.040 572 Sybil Thomas: certain kinds of. 573 574 144 575 00:16:51.150 --> 00:16:59.010 576 Sybil Thomas: repetitive things like you know women and stereotyping activities that teachers would have to beat you down so let's do dance Let me run goalie. 577 578 145 579 00:16:59.310 --> 00:17:06.780 580 Sybil Thomas: Because they have to decorate classes 581 582 146 583 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:26.910 584 Sybil Thomas: But these are opportunities for them to connect with one another connect with their teacher go out first time after 40 years the feeling that sense of bonding that meaningful feedback all this contributes to the beauty of course 585 586 147 587 00:17:28.470 --> 00:17:30.510 588 Mayuri Kulkarni: So that could also be the same with ma. 589 590 148 591 00:17:31.320 --> 00:17:40.950 592 Sybil Thomas: ma we don't have too much of this it all depends 593 594 149 595 00:17:41.700 --> 00:17:51.330 596 Sybil Thomas: At the time of doing it and groups being small they like each teacher would have only two or three or even when we had 25 and 30 students maximum five. 597 598 150 599 00:17:51.900 --> 00:18:02.790 600 Sybil Thomas: Students 601 602 151 603 00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:10.920 604 Sybil Thomas: Body wherever they go it's like we put them into everything is centered around learning from one another with one another. 605 606 152 607 00:18:11.340 --> 00:18:23.370 608 Sybil Thomas: So I think that's What helps them off late at least after they've come back from saviors and try to do some new activities at the department 609 610 153 611 00:18:25.470 --> 00:18:33.780 612 Sybil Thomas: These we also try to bond with different institute's see that they get a wider exposure to issues. 613 614 154 615 00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:47.340 616 Sybil Thomas: Other than teaching and learning about some new thoughts that are going around in a meditation challenge them to think for the than the kind of research paper reading so those kind of things 617 618 155 619 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.540 620 Sybil Thomas: makes them excited to be part of this course. 621 622 156 623 00:18:52.230 --> 00:18:55.920 624 Mayuri Kulkarni: And what do your students 625 626 157 627 00:18:56.970 --> 00:19:01.770 628 Sybil Thomas: They are mixed feelings 629 630 158 631 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:08.910 632 Sybil Thomas: When when they entertain the wonder whether really two years is going to be worth and how do we cross this two years. 633 634 159 635 00:19:09.660 --> 00:19:16.200 636 Sybil Thomas: But after they are in an awfully time seeing the more we focus on these kind of group type of learnings. 637 638 160 639 00:19:16.710 --> 00:19:27.240 640 Sybil Thomas: Like what do I do for my course especially the first time that they come in for philosophical foundations of education and then we have higher education 641 642 161 643 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:37.950 644 Sybil Thomas: Reading from different journals etc 645 646 162 647 00:19:38.580 --> 00:19:46.470 648 Sybil Thomas: Preparatory thing to get conversant with like to do their English is a major challenge for us to get them to do. 649 650 163 651 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:55.890 652 Sybil Thomas: and prepare them like sometimes I give speeches 653 654 164 655 00:19:56.310 --> 00:20:03.930 656 Sybil Thomas: It helps them to learn the language but also personally connect them and I keep the light body system where they will come and. 657 658 165 659 00:20:04.620 --> 00:20:11.850 660 Sybil Thomas: I need not sit through but i'll start it off 661 662 166 663 00:20:12.120 --> 00:20:18.660 664 Sybil Thomas: And they have to tell what they're learning in English alone it's 665 666 167 667 00:20:18.900 --> 00:20:34.080 668 Sybil Thomas: But I do understand without having access to good English literature 669 670 168 671 00:20:34.590 --> 00:20:40.320 672 Sybil Thomas: To after some time 673 674 169 675 00:20:41.190 --> 00:20:45.870 676 Sybil Thomas: The friends also take it upon themselves so 677 678 170 679 00:20:46.230 --> 00:21:05.910 680 Sybil Thomas: The more i'm seeing that there is a lot of bonding taking place 681 682 171 683 00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:13.830 684 Sybil Thomas: or even these years 685 686 172 687 00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:19.050 688 Mayuri Kulkarni: What do you think are your students opinion regarding the teacher eligibility. 689 690 173 691 00:21:20.730 --> 00:21:27.690 692 Sybil Thomas: And they had their again I think that's something that they are very sad about because many of the real good students don't make it. 693 694 174 695 00:21:28.560 --> 00:21:37.620 696 Sybil Thomas: So there is some mismatch in that test 697 698 175 699 00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:49.830 700 Sybil Thomas: Less percentage of students would qualify it and they would be our best creative teachers who would be absorbed in the best kind of sports 701 702 176 703 00:21:50.550 --> 00:22:00.090 704 Sybil Thomas: So I don't know why this is happening 705 706 177 707 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:01.560 708 Sybil Thomas: You know. 709 710 178 711 00:22:02.730 --> 00:22:18.540 712 Sybil Thomas: There is a only one 713 714 179 715 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.340 716 Sybil Thomas: Seeing the best option was becomes very difficult for them. 717 718 180 719 00:22:24.150 --> 00:22:26.340 720 Sybil Thomas: So those are some of the drawbacks of. 721 722 181 723 00:22:27.390 --> 00:22:29.340 724 Sybil Thomas: Identity system as. 725 726 182 727 00:22:30.450 --> 00:22:41.730 728 Mayuri Kulkarni: A man and in what way 729 730 183 731 00:22:41.850 --> 00:22:43.980 732 Mayuri Kulkarni: How do you see the change in them. 733 734 184 735 00:22:44.850 --> 00:22:52.740 736 Sybil Thomas: I think 737 738 185 739 00:22:53.250 --> 00:23:05.670 740 Sybil Thomas: Most of our students would come in from the private colleges and a nice thing I made it be edited so much of content 741 742 186 743 00:23:06.180 --> 00:23:18.480 744 Sybil Thomas: More at the level of assimilation and remembering enter a new understanding 745 746 187 747 00:23:19.260 --> 00:23:31.230 748 Sybil Thomas: The ability to understand that at all you multiple perspectives questioning content seeing diverse viewpoints 749 750 188