1 00:00:03.750 --> 00:00:16.770 Mayuri Kulkarni: Someone before we begin 2 00:00:18.300 --> 00:00:28.500 Sybil Thomas: Okay yeah so as you're aware i'm civil commerce I teach at the University of Hong by Department of Education and. 3 00:00:29.550 --> 00:00:36.720 Sybil Thomas: yeah at the department currently I am teaching a course in philosophical foundations of education. 4 00:00:38.250 --> 00:00:52.230 Sybil Thomas: Then higher education and E learning 5 00:00:54.480 --> 00:01:01.620 Sybil Thomas: In the at the end I deal with the issues and concerns again in higher education and. 6 00:01:02.940 --> 00:01:25.380 Sybil Thomas: Also 7 00:01:26.220 --> 00:01:32.520 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay 8 00:01:33.090 --> 00:01:38.400 Sybil Thomas: With the Mumbai university 9 00:01:38.550 --> 00:01:43.290 Sybil Thomas: wow yeah so in between 10 00:01:44.340 --> 00:01:46.920 Sybil Thomas: As a principal for sense areas. 11 00:01:47.160 --> 00:01:56.910 Sybil Thomas: Of college of education Institute of education church gave us a brief period as principal their own lane from university and came back to university. 12 00:01:57.540 --> 00:01:59.400 Sybil Thomas: Okay 13 00:02:00.420 --> 00:02:04.230 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay 14 00:02:04.320 --> 00:02:09.990 Sybil Thomas: No 15 00:02:10.230 --> 00:02:22.920 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay perfect so oh okay fine imitators day okay yeah so ma'am how and how long has it been that the embed code it's been running with the university. 16 00:02:23.970 --> 00:02:27.720 Sybil Thomas: Ever since its inception in 1974. 17 00:02:28.440 --> 00:02:37.020 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay Okay 18 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:38.760 Sybil Thomas: Oh yeah yeah yeah. 19 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:42.330 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay Okay 20 00:02:42.480 --> 00:02:43.890 Mayuri Kulkarni: In 19 and 20. 21 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:49.650 Sybil Thomas: And 2019 and 20 I think we had any seven students. 22 00:02:51.000 --> 00:03:05.520 Sybil Thomas: There are no yeah lasted I think was maybe around seven to 10 but we're 23 00:03:06.570 --> 00:03:11.520 Mayuri Kulkarni: So 24 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.910 Mayuri Kulkarni: As your intake but only seven past. 25 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.680 Sybil Thomas: Yes 26 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:35.250 Sybil Thomas: number of students 27 00:03:35.610 --> 00:03:48.600 Sybil Thomas: Okay 28 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:49.710 Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh 29 00:03:49.770 --> 00:03:53.130 Sybil Thomas: One for 2020 21. 30 00:03:53.910 --> 00:03:56.790 Sybil Thomas: Oh 31 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:03.390 Sybil Thomas: Right yeah so the admissions for 2021 took place in November. 32 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:07.410 Sybil Thomas: And right now we have only finished one semester 33 00:04:08.220 --> 00:04:09.630 Mayuri Kulkarni: dying because of covert. 34 00:04:09.990 --> 00:04:21.870 Sybil Thomas: yeah yeah so there 35 00:04:22.170 --> 00:04:24.720 Sybil Thomas: And it's already know him so we got to anyone. 36 00:04:26.340 --> 00:04:33.090 Mayuri Kulkarni: Right okay and i'm what is the proportion of students from say art commerce or chemistry biology. 37 00:04:33.090 --> 00:04:40.320 Sybil Thomas: streaming strangely you would see nowadays 38 00:04:42.390 --> 00:04:52.500 Sybil Thomas: So the commerce is coming in 39 00:04:53.340 --> 00:04:58.620 Sybil Thomas: Okay 40 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:04.980 Sybil Thomas: Farmers economics 41 00:05:05.400 --> 00:05:20.430 Sybil Thomas: Right 42 00:05:20.820 --> 00:05:21.810 Mayuri Kulkarni: OK OK. 43 00:05:23.490 --> 00:05:32.550 Mayuri Kulkarni: And then 44 00:05:33.180 --> 00:05:34.590 Mayuri Kulkarni: and your assessment of. 45 00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:35.850 Mayuri Kulkarni: Their academic strengths and. 46 00:05:35.850 --> 00:05:36.360 weakness. 47 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:51.810 Sybil Thomas: And 48 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:59.610 Sybil Thomas: rural parts of Maharashtra etc 49 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:12.030 Sybil Thomas: Right master's degrees 50 00:06:12.420 --> 00:06:29.790 Sybil Thomas: That we had the have them who wants to go in for ma ma you know PhD is possible 51 00:06:30.330 --> 00:06:34.260 Sybil Thomas: It will be all going for a distance and not invest two. 52 00:06:34.260 --> 00:06:36.450 Sybil Thomas: Years doing regular degree. 53 00:06:36.660 --> 00:06:44.580 Mayuri Kulkarni: Right right okay good and how would you compare your students academic profile with that or the other college students. 54 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:53.880 Sybil Thomas: See colleges 55 00:06:54.180 --> 00:06:54.540 Okay. 56 00:06:55.740 --> 00:07:06.210 Sybil Thomas: To be precise 57 00:07:06.510 --> 00:07:14.910 Sybil Thomas: Along with the Department of Education department was continuing 58 00:07:16.230 --> 00:07:30.030 Sybil Thomas: After which within this last 10 years 59 00:07:31.530 --> 00:07:34.110 Sybil Thomas: Except that the semis which do it. 60 00:07:34.590 --> 00:07:47.310 Sybil Thomas: But the rest of them 61 00:07:49.260 --> 00:07:51.480 Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh that's a pretty sad. 62 00:07:53.970 --> 00:07:58.320 Mayuri Kulkarni: Man 63 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:05.820 Sybil Thomas: Or we would rarely get them first oh boy 64 00:08:06.900 --> 00:08:12.270 Sybil Thomas: Other is 65 00:08:12.690 --> 00:08:13.890 Sybil Thomas: or sometimes nothing. 66 00:08:15.210 --> 00:08:15.570 Sybil Thomas: Okay. 67 00:08:15.930 --> 00:08:20.130 Mayuri Kulkarni: And that's how our students have admitted in your program I mean is there 68 00:08:20.130 --> 00:08:27.930 Sybil Thomas: Universal know the common the common centralized instance test of the university University of Manchester come. 69 00:08:28.260 --> 00:08:36.000 Sybil Thomas: Right over they given that comment ACTA exam and then they come to work comes we actually have no choice 70 00:08:36.330 --> 00:08:41.520 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay 71 00:08:42.870 --> 00:08:45.690 Mayuri Kulkarni: To take a big or image 72 00:08:47.370 --> 00:08:52.080 Sybil Thomas: You should it be a level if you ask me 73 00:08:52.560 --> 00:08:52.980 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay. 74 00:08:53.070 --> 00:08:58.770 Sybil Thomas: If they don't get updated college 75 00:08:59.190 --> 00:09:00.240 Mayuri Kulkarni: die right. 76 00:09:00.270 --> 00:09:02.970 Sybil Thomas: Because you would prefer looping college. 77 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:11.310 Sybil Thomas: Not the high thing with the one which will be speeds you don't mind anything just finish it off and get out to the. 78 00:09:12.180 --> 00:09:20.910 Sybil Thomas: side 79 00:09:22.020 --> 00:09:27.930 Sybil Thomas: Other colleges 80 00:09:31.230 --> 00:09:31.380 Mayuri Kulkarni: and 81 00:09:31.980 --> 00:09:35.130 Mayuri Kulkarni: Nine such students who are admitted in your college. 82 00:09:35.310 --> 00:09:36.990 Mayuri Kulkarni: Whatever ranks. 83 00:09:37.620 --> 00:09:38.820 Sybil Thomas: In the sense would you. 84 00:09:39.900 --> 00:09:43.740 Mayuri Kulkarni: say 85 00:09:44.340 --> 00:09:45.720 Mayuri Kulkarni: Are they 86 00:09:46.020 --> 00:09:46.830 Mayuri Kulkarni: who are in the. 87 00:09:46.890 --> 00:09:47.880 Mayuri Kulkarni: premier layer of. 88 00:09:49.890 --> 00:09:50.490 Sybil Thomas: immediately. 89 00:09:50.550 --> 00:09:50.850 Mayuri Kulkarni: Yes. 90 00:09:50.910 --> 00:09:57.030 Sybil Thomas: Okay number three I didn't really even be distributed so it's a split their choice they give. 91 00:09:57.060 --> 00:10:06.150 Mayuri Kulkarni: Preference 1230 OK 92 00:10:06.990 --> 00:10:10.620 Sybil Thomas: After coming to me to be going for school teaching and such. 93 00:10:11.070 --> 00:10:13.680 Sybil Thomas: will be very few maybe less than. 94 00:10:14.790 --> 00:10:15.540 Sybil Thomas: 30%. 95 00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:17.910 Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh 96 00:10:18.660 --> 00:10:21.510 Sybil Thomas: or still them look into colleges I to read for. 97 00:10:21.810 --> 00:10:24.270 Sybil Thomas: Jobs 98 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:30.390 Sybil Thomas: Probably their own schools administrators kind of my responsibilities. 99 00:10:30.780 --> 00:10:33.870 Sybil Thomas: And they can go to spend have ambitions. 100 00:10:34.260 --> 00:10:35.160 Mayuri Kulkarni: Okay okay. 101 00:10:35.430 --> 00:10:35.820 Mayuri Kulkarni: And i'm. 102 00:10:36.780 --> 00:10:40.860 Mayuri Kulkarni: Like you said you know earlier 103 00:10:41.430 --> 00:10:45.150 Mayuri Kulkarni: So do you think the profile of students have also changed because of this. 104 00:10:45.420 --> 00:11:01.440 Sybil Thomas: yeah they have definitely changed Why do I say definitely in the census previously when we had bonnier course we would have 30 seats and 2025 or 30 feet and we used to get a demand which would be almost like. 105 00:11:02.550 --> 00:11:27.300 Sybil Thomas: 75 students to 80 students who were wanting to apply 106 00:11:28.800 --> 00:11:37.950 Sybil Thomas: Now we don't be screen students 107 00:11:38.640 --> 00:11:57.810 Sybil Thomas: Schools I GCSE boards and so then started offering students around 40 108 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:10.590 Sybil Thomas: Schools coming in and taking students from there 109 00:12:11.370 --> 00:12:12.300 Mayuri Kulkarni: Right yes. 110 00:12:12.930 --> 00:12:15.270 Sybil Thomas: then became a distance moon oh. 111 00:12:16.560 --> 00:12:21.210 Mayuri Kulkarni: Man 112 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:32.160 Sybil Thomas: Its various as any normal probability curve Okay 113 00:12:33.030 --> 00:12:33.150 Mayuri Kulkarni: Oh. 114 00:12:33.180 --> 00:12:38.190 Sybil Thomas: And also 115 00:12:39.300 --> 00:12:51.780 Sybil Thomas: The majority would be from middle and lower middle income groups 116 00:12:52.380 --> 00:13:03.030 Sybil Thomas: And therefore 117 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:04.980 Sybil Thomas: That is my experience. 118 00:13:05.310 --> 00:13:14.880 Sybil Thomas: So you will have many of them either coming from disturbed trouble homes waiting for this degree 119 00:13:15.300 --> 00:13:19.020 Sybil Thomas: They could probably the are separated 120 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:21.000 Sybil Thomas: They can get an employment. 121 00:13:21.660 --> 00:13:23.190 Sybil Thomas: So those kind of things on. 122 00:13:25.560 --> 00:13:31.560 Mayuri Kulkarni: My board 123 00:13:32.910 --> 00:13:44.700 Sybil Thomas: I think there are other alternatives 124 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:51.990 Sybil Thomas: So in that way 125 00:13:53.160 --> 00:13:55.380 Sybil Thomas: A good anchor for their carriers. 126 00:13:55.740 --> 00:14:02.550 Mayuri Kulkarni: dry dry and because we are talking about how this goes actually tools as an anchor 127 00:14:02.550 --> 00:14:04.530 Mayuri Kulkarni: key motivation to join the Program. 128 00:14:05.730 --> 00:14:15.030 Sybil Thomas: A motivation somewhere now if you ask me 129 00:14:15.390 --> 00:14:32.340 Sybil Thomas: of education and i'm actively involved in at least four of these colleges quality assurance committees and the other one is at the College development and the other also 130 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.220 Sybil Thomas: had to be a level and the can you repeat your question. 131 00:14:38.880 --> 00:14:41.430 Mayuri Kulkarni: was asking what do you think is the motivation to. 132 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:55.650 Sybil Thomas: So if they're inspired but the big level 133 00:14:56.520 --> 00:15:09.690 Sybil Thomas: And we find that education and the kind of content that we are transacting is meaningful 134 00:15:10.620 --> 00:15:30.720 Sybil Thomas: When they meaningfully connect their lives to the content and feel a certain amount of meaning they find in their own lives because of what they are learning so therefore 135 00:15:32.130 --> 00:15:39.840 Sybil Thomas: And the many who would have taken science and commerce 136 00:15:40.230 --> 00:15:57.390 Sybil Thomas: and 137 00:15:59.400 --> 00:16:00.690 Sybil Thomas: Given I think two three. 138 00:16:00.990 --> 00:16:06.000 Mayuri Kulkarni: yeah and those are quite reflective so yeah It makes sense yeah. 139 00:16:07.560 --> 00:16:12.810 Mayuri Kulkarni: And i'm 140 00:16:14.880 --> 00:16:18.270 Sybil Thomas: um I think at the. 141 00:16:19.470 --> 00:16:35.100 Sybil Thomas: va level if you see what students really like is I told you 142 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:46.350 Sybil Thomas: kind of co curricular activities those 143 00:16:48.540 --> 00:16:50.040 Sybil Thomas: certain kinds of. 144 00:16:51.150 --> 00:16:59.010 Sybil Thomas: repetitive things like you know women and stereotyping activities that teachers would have to beat you down so let's do dance Let me run goalie. 145 00:16:59.310 --> 00:17:06.780 Sybil Thomas: Because they have to decorate classes 146 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:26.910 Sybil Thomas: But these are opportunities for them to connect with one another connect with their teacher go out first time after 40 years the feeling that sense of bonding that meaningful feedback all this contributes to the beauty of course 147 00:17:28.470 --> 00:17:30.510 Mayuri Kulkarni: So that could also be the same with ma. 148 00:17:31.320 --> 00:17:40.950 Sybil Thomas: ma we don't have too much of this it all depends 149 00:17:41.700 --> 00:17:51.330 Sybil Thomas: At the time of doing it and groups being small they like each teacher would have only two or three or even when we had 25 and 30 students maximum five. 150 00:17:51.900 --> 00:18:02.790 Sybil Thomas: Students 151 00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:10.920 Sybil Thomas: Body wherever they go it's like we put them into everything is centered around learning from one another with one another. 152 00:18:11.340 --> 00:18:23.370 Sybil Thomas: So I think that's What helps them off late at least after they've come back from saviors and try to do some new activities at the department 153 00:18:25.470 --> 00:18:33.780 Sybil Thomas: These we also try to bond with different institute's see that they get a wider exposure to issues. 154 00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:47.340 Sybil Thomas: Other than teaching and learning about some new thoughts that are going around in a meditation challenge them to think for the than the kind of research paper reading so those kind of things 155 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.540 Sybil Thomas: makes them excited to be part of this course. 156 00:18:52.230 --> 00:18:55.920 Mayuri Kulkarni: And what do your students 157 00:18:56.970 --> 00:19:01.770 Sybil Thomas: They are mixed feelings 158 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:08.910 Sybil Thomas: When when they entertain the wonder whether really two years is going to be worth and how do we cross this two years. 159 00:19:09.660 --> 00:19:16.200 Sybil Thomas: But after they are in an awfully time seeing the more we focus on these kind of group type of learnings. 160 00:19:16.710 --> 00:19:27.240 Sybil Thomas: Like what do I do for my course especially the first time that they come in for philosophical foundations of education and then we have higher education 161 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:37.950 Sybil Thomas: Reading from different journals etc 162 00:19:38.580 --> 00:19:46.470 Sybil Thomas: Preparatory thing to get conversant with like to do their English is a major challenge for us to get them to do. 163 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:55.890 Sybil Thomas: and prepare them like sometimes I give speeches 164 00:19:56.310 --> 00:20:03.930 Sybil Thomas: It helps them to learn the language but also personally connect them and I keep the light body system where they will come and. 165 00:20:04.620 --> 00:20:11.850 Sybil Thomas: I need not sit through but i'll start it off 166 00:20:12.120 --> 00:20:18.660 Sybil Thomas: And they have to tell what they're learning in English alone it's 167 00:20:18.900 --> 00:20:34.080 Sybil Thomas: But I do understand without having access to good English literature 168 00:20:34.590 --> 00:20:40.320 Sybil Thomas: To after some time 169 00:20:41.190 --> 00:20:45.870 Sybil Thomas: The friends also take it upon themselves so 170 00:20:46.230 --> 00:21:05.910 Sybil Thomas: The more i'm seeing that there is a lot of bonding taking place 171 00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:13.830 Sybil Thomas: or even these years 172 00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:19.050 Mayuri Kulkarni: What do you think are your students opinion regarding the teacher eligibility. 173 00:21:20.730 --> 00:21:27.690 Sybil Thomas: And they had their again I think that's something that they are very sad about because many of the real good students don't make it. 174 00:21:28.560 --> 00:21:37.620 Sybil Thomas: So there is some mismatch in that test 175 00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:49.830 Sybil Thomas: Less percentage of students would qualify it and they would be our best creative teachers who would be absorbed in the best kind of sports 176 00:21:50.550 --> 00:22:00.090 Sybil Thomas: So I don't know why this is happening 177 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:01.560 Sybil Thomas: You know. 178 00:22:02.730 --> 00:22:18.540 Sybil Thomas: There is a only one 179 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.340 Sybil Thomas: Seeing the best option was becomes very difficult for them. 180 00:22:24.150 --> 00:22:26.340 Sybil Thomas: So those are some of the drawbacks of. 181 00:22:27.390 --> 00:22:29.340 Sybil Thomas: Identity system as. 182 00:22:30.450 --> 00:22:41.730 Mayuri Kulkarni: A man and in what way 183 00:22:41.850 --> 00:22:43.980 Mayuri Kulkarni: How do you see the change in them. 184 00:22:44.850 --> 00:22:52.740 Sybil Thomas: I think 185 00:22:53.250 --> 00:23:05.670 Sybil Thomas: Most of our students would come in from the private colleges and a nice thing I made it be edited so much of content 186 00:23:06.180 --> 00:23:18.480 Sybil Thomas: More at the level of assimilation and remembering enter a new understanding 187 00:23:19.260 --> 00:23:31.230 Sybil Thomas: The ability to understand that at all you multiple perspectives questioning content seeing diverse viewpoints 188